" O 'N E " BOOK - moddanis - ART+: Mayıs 2013

What makes a "good" abstract painting?

Murat Oktay Danış • ..DO; U, express U'r feelings,and i d e a s , when U write with Alphabeth Letters.. (this is not abstracting) ..

..but u can write with U'r hand on a paper to l e t, Alphabeth L e t t e r s; ABSTRACT U' r B r a i n, t o o..(U should write , for that reason; o n l y..).Like letters abstract the things in U' r w o r d s..they have to abstract U' r brain, t o o.
..so only a truely abstracted m i n d; can, a c t in abstraction, as that artist d o e s " t h i n g s " with his hands i n art s... be u'r self and go on with u'r daily d e e d s; in the medium of art' s.. (it automatically will be installed in t o , the medium..)

" truely-Abstracted-Brain ; o f U'r s" shall abstract U' r DO i n g s, (DOing T H i N G s) i n art too..U shouldn't try to abstract when U have to abstract, there in the art-doings.. that is the natural way of A b s t r a c t i n g , D O i n g s, I guess..

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Jaabi Faarai • begin to paint without knowing why and keep the artwork, its' a good abstract
turn it in the wrong position it's a bad abstract
Put it in the middle of the room and speech for half an hour around it it's a good abstract
Now give a subject to be treated abstract by two different artists. One will take a few minutes an the other some of hours, at least the few minutes one can be "good" even in that shortest of time...
Then how would you set an abstract value?

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Murat Oktay Danış • ...WHAT D o e s an ; " EAR " H e a r.. ..What it hears is an Object made of sound ;SOsound-nature anOBJECT; S O; this is how " natural-abstract " o c c u r e s.. (..because sound carries a " sound object " to the Ear ) ....(and e a r ; catches &records that sound-Object on that " e a r-object " , first..as a sound or -translated medium of EAR-Object..)

..t h e n, E A R sends that " image-of-the sound-object's Ear-subject-located signs " to the BRA i n.

SO; 1-
t h e s e; OBJECT-NATURED; , " shapes " a r e ; " naturally-eXpressed- ABSTRACT-pieces; .. (a mixture, of every, Object a s they have sleeped in (or on) every OBJECT; when o n the way, to the BRAin..) (Natural-Abstract s remind us our Body-organs; or furniture s w e are familiar, which are living in us; -these may be friends that we love,too- )

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..but Abstaction DOES; not go -as mantioned above- .a s natural-hibrid-eXpressions; , i n fact.. There are negative-ABSTRACTions ; that can be recognized with the sweet ABSANCE; o f a thing ..(or a fade a w a y, with slow-extinction o f " a thing ", that can be felt..by intuition.)
4 example.. " ALPHABETH ", i s not a ,natural; t h i n g.. -in fact it is truely ABSURD-..he/she who touches it; they will be Abstracted in negative-natural w a y. t h e n; U can LOAD; words and sentences ,meanings -as Objects- to it; to carry it to the N A T U R A L- world..(a chance to a n e w b i r t h; to the W o r l d, from " A b s o l u t e, L a n d s of the ALPHAbeth's..)

W h e n we are in a " letter " ; (as we write it with our own hand-especially) w e (the THiNGs inUS) will be Abstracted by it's-absurdity.. (so this is a negative-Abstraction)..( OR THE BASE; of all natural-abstractions ).. of the " artistic -Abstraction s" ..S O; ALPHAbeth, gives us S P A C E; where THiNGs c a n b e and ACT; , M o r e free; and more h a p p y, and more-natural, a n d beautifully- m i x e d or; beautifully separarated.. and o u r " i n t u i tions " , c a n W o r k ON; and, " clearify the ORiGinal-OBJECT- they were originated; or generated, from..

Jaabi..I agree with all U are saying..
..if it is a " quick " Work of art; it may be pure; if (that natural record-deliver ) has been cought, ON just one S i n g l e- OBJECT.. (SO; in my saying; I say it; " improvisation at; O N C E " ; " just DO it fast and ;STOP; immidiately than..(DO NOT; let U'r r a t i o; an consciousness, L e a k ; in t h e work; and in the paint.... -because these come from the BRAin; -not from the natural c h a n g e- ,&free-development o f the OBJECT; , and t h e y, change ; t h e natural Way of abstraction..to the deciplines -or ways- of knowing ..
(good abstarction calls the i n t u i tion, and goes with it only; - instead of knowladges-Ratio-..)
(instead, U have to begin a r t ing, , with WRiTİNG ALPHABETH; L e t t e r s; and make a zero-base to U'r BODy first..(and let these pure-deeds of that Body have a Birth o n the other-side..(in Absolute-Volume side..& into that PURE-PAint) to clear natural-&objective-intuitional- A b s t r a c t i o n s with the PURE-Paint.... (and give a fine move i n g SPACE; t o ; all your Body organs; ,which are under the pressure of U' r brain; ratio and knowledge-based conscious.. w h i l e art i n g, i n F a c t..)

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Murat Oktay Danış • ..eXcuse m e; 4 my writings are, a bit Long.. 4 I am an " perFormance " artist..(ı can not stop, if it hasn't become a per FORM; ance.

...what f e e d s; a performative art, a c t.. of course, many deeds-loaded into brain in multi-decipline s.alhough I am Writing " a THiNG " ; it has to travel from all these, deed s.and those multi-deciplines..- or my WHOLE BODY- -or whole Brain-.. have to b e load e d in, -all related deeds-; to every ," thing " I am saying; & as they are being , expressed..

..and; I write in a way that, ALPHABETh; c a n; (negatively-Abstract M E; first..t h e n, my ideas; can; " be in B i r t h " (my Body-deeds can be naturally-Abstracted as Objects) , in my B r a i n.. S O; I am writing in my B r a i n.. not saying things outside, -as is in social talks-..

" What makes a good abstract PAiNTing.." ?..
I should say; if " R E A L i ty " of the brain; -gained from immidiate-ABSOLUTE-ALPHAbeth-letter- writings- - ( or will-b e installed-deeds in the PAiNT; from the Absolute-Writings.. ) has b o r n, N E W L y, in the Brain..,
.. (r e a l i t y .i s a FORM; o f beauty. t o o.. (Real is the beauity, i n the B r a in.))
t h e n if U have that " real thing " ; i t will b e installed i n the P a i n t, however.. and with that BASE; any eXPRESSiON; (natural-abstracting; or positive-abstraction) with U'r free Body, can couse to that ; ; " intuition state " ..and if intuition i s t h e r e; that makes, a b s t r a c t; a r t; naturally , B e a u ty full.. (feeded from U'r f r e e actings o f sportive organs..&U'r w h o l e body..)

1 saat önce

Jim Foster adlı kullanıcıyı takip et

Jim Foster • I quit teaching university work in 1978, actually 73, because, many reasons, but there were just too many problems that couldn't be solved ( the Vietnam War, was one of them) but our conversations here are what I enjoy- Thanks to All for bringing me back to loving a good talken to.
One of my favorite artist simulations is to go out back of my studio-lie down on the ground and look straight up into the clouds and space and keep looking into outer space til i think I'm at the end of the world we live in and then I am truly out beyond everything possible. Just to see extraterrestrial objects makes me realize how much each of us are on the leading edge of this world and yet we never consider that the whole time we look parallel to the earth surface. Our minds are truly shaped by our life style of thinking we are just taking care of business right here on earth. The clouds in our sky are abstract and realistic at the same time. I'm always looking at imaginable characters in disguise as clouds-an excellent place for alien beings to hide !!!

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Murat Oktay Danış • I Liked that; Jim. ..this was " exactly the same-thing " , ; to DO; ;4 m e, too..b u t then , there came this " F. Nietzsche's book, " thus spoke Zarathustra "; ( a Family-man going to a cave on the mauntain to live with " his " snake,&eagle,&lion,and ,the sun..b e c a u s e ,they were true abstracted ; as their nature changes perfectly; b u t, t h e y; never TALK; ..-instead in-need of a true and an " objective " change- at the EDGE of that, World-DOings (nad OBJECTs).. (the Edge but " genuine -nature " ;side;-e d g e (;purely-natural); .. not the dark " death " (absolute- volume) s i d e..)

" Just to see extraterrestrial objects " :
.. they appear only i n " miror-images-added abstracts that has this" brain' s-real " in the computer, ( i f; U secceeded; toTALK; to these -genuine " snake, lion, eagle, and sun " of the earth- ; i n U'r a r t..(in improvisation at ONCE )) ." U " put that genuine-paint-work in the computer, and they ( extraterrestrial objects) , e m e r g e in the ABSOLUTE-V o l u m e; of computer; mirrorings.. (abstracted by ratio; i n the brain and in the computer itself)..

" clouds-an excellent place for alien beings to hide !!!" :
...abstract-&absolute-eXpressionist- improvisations; with that still-pure paint (as Clouds are P u r e ; &water only; mediums) ; has t h e s e; " alien-beings " in them -just-like clouds DOes- ..if the real; -from the brain- ; c o u l d be installed i n; ; then " Alian beings " can be ; evolved to these " r e a l-extraterrestrial objects " ..in the computer as they make our ratios , " the abstracter " ..

Jaabi Faarai • Hi Murat, do your writings take time to write?
it looks like reliefs low down at the end of last paragraph, seems they reached the sea...

Jim Foster • I walk three miles around a Reservoir- from parking along a huge irrigation ditch filled with water. On the other side of the irrgation. ditch are geological cliffs and rock settlements. These cliffs are 40-50 ft, real rugged and have pedestals. The Native Peoples had to have used them for council meetings and perhaps total sheepherder like camps. Any time I take someone with me- they don't even see the cliffs but are talking full blast- telling me their story .

I prefer quiet and let the place talk to me. All this is within the range of intermittent clouds having real personal dimensions. I feel like every bird call is an innocent setting for me to realize I am in their place- this is- The Wild !!!- You keep walking and things start to be important that never were before. I usually fish where the inlet comes in and dumps new water. Every bird in the world could come here and be at home. Art works come from out of nowhere. They are not always understandable. I do a lot of things without understanding any art intended.

Murat Oktay Danış • Y e s , Jaabi..My writings take t i m e; 4X1writing; time. .that means, there are 4 person and 4 pen in them..and in fact, t h e y are; the minimal amount, -cut into; 1/4- in Alphabeth letters. (one has to read them 4 t i m e s..and in every read ing session, ; they had to find a new writing i n t h e m...) (they are; ;" SQUARE Writing s " )
..in fact ;I think; m y writings, Take their b i r t h in the , d e e p-s e a. (or in the ocean of that B R A i n..but can not reach to the shore to walk in crocodile or fly in the air..b u t in my paintings, these appear, t o b e. I guess..

..and a sentence that Jim has said.
" They are not always understandable. I do a lot of things without understanding any art intended. "
..people sit and write if they are to e x p r e s s;(or eXplain) something, ..they use alphabeth to shape " things " ; or to transmit, what has been shaped, inside, their thinking.

L e t me , tell " U " why I write..(my One-page;-4Writings; hand-writings..)
First of all; to " WORSHiP "2 the ALPHAbeth..I draw every letter correct and carefully and straight..(that means I install them into my brain ) ..then when they are installed in my brain, they must have changed my t h i n k i n g.. (my intentions..)

...while these " letters" being drawn by my hand; there o c c u r e s a passage; in my HAND.. (what goes from m y BODY; into that Alphabeth's Dark L i n e s; -into the letters- , and what comes into my BODy; from t h e r e; -from the Land of the ALPHA b e t 's-..I do not know, ,nor MyRatio; , only b e ; " inbetween ",)

Writing i s , the " Wagina; o f the art " to, m e.. there happens someThing in between my body and " ALPHA b e t h's ; other-side, L a n d s " ..and " these THiNGs " they will a p p e a r ; in the PAiNTing; a s " realms should reach to, ; their; WORLD s " ..(in the PAiNT..)

..instead of Medium-PAiNT; Writing itself can give birth to these NEW-THiNGs....a very instant birth takes place while writing. (when writing, the instrument U use is Alphabeth; not U'r Brain..so U'r brain-originated thinkings, shall change BASE; as they begin to include ,alphabeth letters..)
.b u t D O E S; ; any one OPEN; their Thinkings, to that " alphabeth affection " ...or do they love to put their-thinkings into these letters; and infect that " solid-ABSTRACT-TOTEM "..-named Alphabeth.-
(thinkings can enfect the Alphabeth letters ; -because they have different signs in them; ..would U let U'r thinkings DO; that..o r, DO t h e reverse..
W E; n e e d ; a balance and Equilibrium; .propvided i n the w r i t i n g.

- B O D y ; c a n, b e coded on letters,(as every letter can have color, sound, movement ,dance, sign . e.c.t.) -of Alphabeth's- and then , be transfered; in t o; the PAiNT i n g -or into other art mediums- .. o u t of; " any art intended "..

Peter Van Fleet • I am in agreement with Mike Tremblay regarding the STANCE of abstract art. abstraction resides in precognition not in the external empirical world. A good work resonates when it connects as "true" in other people's primal state of mind. Although it is manifested through sight a good work has all the sense of touch,taste, and above all HEARING coalesced inside of it. We are all searching for the 42nd day of the developing embryo (this is the usual time when this development occurs) when sight branches off and forms hearing thus music. Anyway, that is what I tell my patrons....that and that ALL GOOD ART IS ICONOCLASTIC.

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Chat Hay Ko adlı kullanıcıyı takip et

Chat Hay Ko • Peter, Rembrandt and his works resonate that same "STANCE". Does that make Rembrandt's paintings abstract art? We know he was ICONOCLASTIC for sure.

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Jaabi Faarai adlı kullanıcıyı takip et

Jaabi Faarai • @ murat, the sensibility is the soul of what we mean; there is no begining nor end, in a sense.. no real perception. Is it what we call abstract?

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Michael Berry adlı kullanıcıyı takip et

Michael Berry • Re: Peter said, "A good work resonates when it connects as "true" in other people's primal state of mind."

This is a widely held tenet of art, let alone abstraction...but where is the artist in all this?

Surely only an artist who is fully cognizant and adept in the understanding and practice of the visual language, is the only one who can say whether or not the work (his/her work) succeeds in terms of the intention of the language used in the picture?

Why do artists give such power over to the viewer to decide whether or not his/her work is a "success", or good or bad - by what happenstance criteria can any viewer not aware of the visual language have any idea about the artist's intention?

And why do artists seem to hold their breath to be accoladed...isn't it enough that they are masters of what they do by their own perceptions?

Few viewers seem to discuss an artist's intentions in a painting with the artist...contemporary artist's (and I question that terminology) just seem to leave any interpretation open to viewer input, and are flattered when viewer's give subjective emotive feedback about the artist's work - why?

To say "all art is iconoclastic" implies that the history of images and image-making is fully understood at the first instant by each viewer, such that it is clear to each viewer when such destruction of the visual language as innovation actually occurs...does it not?

Smiles, Michael

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Murat Oktay Danış • ART; is a SYSTEM; -withMulti-deciplines- ; SO; it is easy to reach; that UNiC-TOTAL-DEEDs..that means; U can; Dance, write, Play Piano, and DO; Painting; and all U'r DEEDs can be Unified, because of the " STSTEM' s -; c i r c l e "..
S o, U can be sure ,on your " deeds-W A Y ".. (say that way is the " GOOD " of the people , as philosophy or religion..)

if we feed (that means if we DO; too much -in different deciplines-) our brains; with these multi-deeds; (as they become our SENSEs) then, can we hear where " perception " gets into our Bodies.. (they also, must be coming in; i n these DEEDs; and cut deeds into SENSE s..)

What I am saying is, if U are a true-multi-DOing-artist; -a L a b o r to art- U should have a " GOOD " and; " EXtended- S E N S E " ; BODy..( but although U may b e a very fine multi-Labor; i n arts, ; ABSTRACTORS; should C o m e; into these eXtended SENSE s.. and begin to erase and " put into pieces " ; these eXtended -SENSEs..
...because these senses are extended; ;there can o c c u r; ; many sense-states; and catogries -of senses-..w i t h these SENSE's A b s t r a c t i o n s..(eXtension-of Sense; is a natural -positive- WAY , of Abstraction; too..) SO ; many kinds -positive and negative abstractions- c a n freely, o c c u r ..i n ART i n g s.
...as well as; " GOOD " is; r e a c h e d ; in art' s nature -by multi-deeds-in art; then ABSTRACTiON quality will b e; f r e e; and; P e r f e c t.. (GOOD) t o o.

..for eXample; I MAKE; basketball every morning..45 minutes; and I make 500 baskets..Every basket is an event..and if I can make a basket ; i t is " GOOD " ; that happens..and they b e put in my brain as; " GOOD-DEEDs "..
(I DO; shoot, from the point where BASKET happens; only..SO; I have 500 baskets made and; 20 couldn't MAKE; baskets.. a GOOd Ratio..)

then I write my 3000 letter; ONE PAGE-4Writings..the GOOD-deeds in my Brain has to proceed; in MAKiNG; l e t t e r s.. (I have to write letters very straight; in the first step..then Writing has to emerge (or give birth to) some GOOD-i m a g e s; ..and these every 3000 letters MADE; with hand are; n e w DEEDs added; to Brains; DEED-EXtension..

..then go to Piano..(deliberately, I did not take any Piano lessons..So m y; actions or expressions of my -HAND; will b e ABSTRACTED; by the NOTES; or sounds..(Music is the most abstract art; they say.. because sound is a fact and it cuts like a knife; and every-EAR can not say the NOTE of a SOUND.; to make music-architecture s; to avoid, c u t s of the sound..).

then I come to that PAiNT i n g ..f r e e l y; just like Free-HANDs; o n the P i a n o..(Free-Spatula on the Paint) ..COLORS; and Lines; should c u t ; and simultaneously; b e UNiFY i n g; all that has been; " c u t " ; and " A B structed ".

..tell me an artist, who treats himself only with GOOD; (succesive-acts-accumulated .; to enhance SENCEs; &TOTAL; PERCEPTiON ; too) ; there U can find; MOST-RATiONAL; a n d ; free ABSTRUCTiONs; (that means Abstructor has to be free to fit on these natural-SENCEs to enlarge SENSE; capable i t i e s..) (and d e v i d e; BODiES; w i t h TRUE; A B S O L U T E;-RATiOs. )

22 saat önce

David Randall adlı kullanıcıyı takip et

David Randall • Michael, An important issue. As often as not the viewer will respond to some aspect of art work that was of little or no importance to the goals and objectives of the artist. That is my experience anyway.

When I am asked to give a critique, I am always careful to question what the intentions of the artist were.

20 saat önce• Beğen

Jim Foster adlı kullanıcıyı takip et

Jim Foster • You are so full of - fun- Murat. My own perspective would be SLOW DOWN enjoy more.

It is raining now and rain always brings the notion of something new to the Plains of Colorado-where ordinarily we live almost in a desert. You might enjoy playing golf (my style- Zen Golf ) all you need is a 9 iron. Dropping the ball on the ground and hitting the ball over steel sculptures I've placed around 5 acres of Broam Grass and Alfalfa. No need to count shots- just enjoy the curve and accuracy of the ball. The sculptures are all abstract but relate the the ballistic adventures of hitting a golf ball in mathematics and architecture concepts.

Anybody can play with equal amount of fun and can stop anytime and have a break or Margarita and dream of all the wonderful shots you are going to make next !
Actually playing this way you improve accuracy and it is like making music happen.
If I die tomorrow- nobody ever - had more fun each moment - than me. NEXT !!!!

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Murat Oktay Danış • I think , I need; " improved accuracy " ; to balance, all these ABSTRACteds; (erased t h i n g s ) .... then, -they can evolve to " p u r e-shapes " and " definable-f i g u r e s " ...- NOT FiGURED s..- (and I would say that would b e " Good ", in the abstract i n g-.PROCESS.. too..)

..and I, h o p e; I can; " slow Dawn " and ENJOY; m o r e..(I had a period to learn to enjoy; L i f e ; and I know how to DO; i t, -I can recall, at least-..)
........ (in fact I enjoy doing these (in art-deciplines) all , b u t; they boceme; -as I DO; them- ; i n an " ORDER; -or they are being ORDERed; ; to my L i f e ..- " ..( w h e r e; they are, " the ORDER " , that ART; h a s; -for it's " O W N " ..
- Although I own, many art-WORKs; of m i ne, though) ..

17 saat önce

Jill Mollenhauer adlı kullanıcıyı takip et

Jill Mollenhauer • Michael, you have a very valid and good point. Why do we artists give such credence to the viewer as if she/he ahd the power to tell us if the piece is 'goood' or not? (Ok not every artist does this, but it seems to be a widely held energy.) Unfortunately I too have done this way too long in my lifetime. Conditioning, what can I say?

Truly, I am working on being ever more aware and open to just creating for myself, to please myself, to explore new areas, new frontiers (Yikes! sounds like Star Trek!) but true. If I really feel one of my pieces is a well done one, it is becasue I learned something from it, it tells a story that I wished to convey, it make me feel something - joy being the biggest part. Joy that I accomplished what I set out to do, that I opened to where it took me, joy in the surprises that came up along the road to its completion.

My I always remember that first and formost I paint for me~

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Chat Hay Ko adlı kullanıcıyı takip et

Chat Hay Ko • Jim, " If I die tomorrow- nobody ever - had more fun each moment - than me. "
I think I am second after you. I go ocean fishing so often that even my wife has to come along as much as she can get out of work.

Work hard, play hard, die hard. I'm with you but I don't like playing golf because you can't eat it. With fish you can.

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