It is not this groups intention to usurp other groups discussing a similar topic, but it's sole purpose is the discussion of aesthetics with a view to the philosophical restoration of aesthetics and a scientific and philosophical study of aesthetics. Can't be done in an open forum you say? Well that remains to be seen.
Murat Oktay Danış .. I am proceeding - on - , - with - that - the - POSTMODERN ? ; thread . , . but ready to answer questions if - asked . here .
Re : Rosetta : " inherited instinct " : DNA of human , is both - educational-and there is also " DARK -SiDE " - NESTED in -DNA . ALSO - -to be instinctly-creative , child has to eXpress-OUT- -DARK SiDE of DNA . ,, THERE are 2 - Kinds of the AesTHEtics . " ANGEL's - AesTHEtics " , /(idealistic - &Capitalism -EKOL ) ,, and - CREATiON-based " - creative - AEStheTiCs " . .. in Capitalist - Countries , of course - there has to be - an - ANGEL - LiKE - acting-l , , BUDiST - WAiTiNGinPEACE - aesthetics - for every one . and - also - education -beginning from the schools . ,, if we /(children ) are to make sports , and ride on the MOViNG-seXual-instinct of DNA s, then they can be " creative " , persons . /( i m p r o visation -is a -yet enough tool for them - to teach themselves - the aesTHEtics , ) that is, you can not -and should-not- , teach these - children - aesTHEtics . ,,
second kind of aim- : - can be -4Children who will try to be W i S E , and do not want to make, sports and will try to STAY -&BE - CALM ,, Like to be -in " WAiTiNG - in -PEACE-BUDiST - M O D E " . .. /( of course , if some are to TRY- to -be FAST - with their BODY ,, ,, some are to - TRY- to -" ABSOLUTELY - STOP "and , BE ABLE 2- W A i T .. with THEiR -BRAiN -& BEing -W i S E , all the , T i m e. ,, ARTiST has to - BE - BOTH . AS A- Painter - and a fast - PAiNTiNG - person I am , &- in creative - sports I-AM - " clever " , not Wise ,, /( in fact I define my IDENTiTy- as A -" SPORTs -MAKER ") , -butSTiLL-I AM - to - S i T ,, for A - " BUDiST " , WRiTiNG - , " to stop my-body-ABSOLUTELY "-and call that - W i S E ,into the alphabet-letters , of my hand writing , /( that is - still my - WRiTiNGbrain- should be -WiSE -4-m e because my sportive- creative-body -sholud'nt be a hybrid , with -my- " WiSE-BRAiN " . in fact -my Brain -is not wise my WRiTiNGs are .
WHAT KiND - of an education : ,, clever - comes from the movement and trying to be FASTER . -but it has to be - converted -into - BEiNG - WiSE .,, ,, so when we come to - ART ,, art and artist - has to be - clever -first , also , then - that clever - has to be - CONVERTED -into - BEing- - WiSE , .. ,, CLASiCAL - PROBLEM here is , ARTiSTs /( they will hide their CLEVER-instinct-CREATUREs , from us , ) and - TRY - to SHOW-THEM -US , AS - " WiSE-THiNs-THEATRE " as they can BE - WiSE - also , in their - PAiNTiNGs - &ARTs . ,, SO - ALL - Classical -art - are - " WiSE-BEiNG - -THEATRE Pictures " . ,, what is lacking -in art -is , ,, where are those crazy-CREATUREs-of -the-free-and FAST-CREATiViTy . WiLL Also " Church ", give artist to show them to people , so they are capable to see -them -with their E-ART-H-Ly , E Y E S .
,, CAN - " GOD's - CREATiON " , ON - E-ARTh , be ToTALLy - N A K E D : ,,and - transparentON-the -E-ART h. .. ,, DOES - all - - Artists - are - frightened -- -by -the religion- -regulations - that : " - N A K E D- , -and - GOD's - creation - - is - FORBiDDEN " to the - NormAL - PEOPLE . /( so artist can not show every-body --" the - " NAKED-CREATiON , - itself " .. ) ,, on the OTHER - HAND ; if that - TRANSPARENT - DUALiSTiC - SLiPPERY - - NAKEDNESS , of the - " SUBJECTiVELy - -NEKED-ART " , of - " creation and Creatures " -are to be - PUT -in - the - PRiSON , of " ABSOLUTE - VOLUME " , and , BE - PERFECT - ANGEL- MACHiNE - LiKE - T H i N G s , that , will - activate - and - give - ABSOLUTE - SPACE to the - " W i S E " , of the - PEOPLE , , then this -is NOT " ARTist -BEiNG - WiSE - picturings " but " ABSOLUTE- ART-SPACE- " -4-the-PEOPLE- 2BE W i S E -MOViNG-in it . /(CAPiTALiST-MiNDs-&WiSDOMhas2-beFREE-in acting-ART-SPACEs 4-A-TRUE-PEACE-in-the-WORLD
art - Education to - the children has to have - BASiC - STANDARD -&SiMPLE- TOOLs: ,, when it is said - EDUCATiON , I immediatley - understand - - " SiMPLE -TOOLs " ./iNSTRUMENTs . ,, .. ART - SCHOOL - /or art-iNSTiTUTE - or AN - ACADEMy-of -ARTs . - has to be - established - in an - EKOL - .. first , as a - " MAiN- EDUCATiON " ,TOTAL - body .. then - the - ESSENTiAL - SiMPLEST - thing - - beginning-essentials - can be - brought - - /carried- to , elementary and - High - schools .. ,, because my father was a teacher - and-an education-Sistem-book writer , ,, I was to - STUDY - - &MAKE -READy, , my - " art-making - instruments " , and - " TOOLs " ,-very - USEful - ,, to the , -Education - of - a r t - - s y s t e m . ,, in fact - my - art - style , is a - school-LikeA-SiMPLE-aTOOL -System , /( that I put my self -into that school as a - " first -STUDENT " and - I am the first - - graduated - child - from there . , instead ofBEingA-FREE-soul-BOHEMiAN-ARTiST .
- " 4--ABSOLUTE - SiTTiNG - SEATs " ,, FOR -A - PERSON - to sit - in - BOTH-4- - of THEM . - , in an - " Church -TOWER " - ABSOLUTE - BLACK - ROOM - - W i n d o w .
,,in - Caspar DAViD's CHALK CLiFFES ,, ,, there are 3- person s ,, /( DAViD himself - wife and - wife's- brother - ..) to measure - the - 4 -dimensional - BLUE - - " SEA -WALL " , separated - from HiGH - EARTH , with - TRUE-WHiTE - CHALK - CLiFs ,, to - look DEEP - depth - - for A - HONEYMOON - night .
- of course - " MAiN - MASTER -ART - WORKs " - has to be - determined , TRUELY ,, AS - THE - BEST - EVER - WORKs - of art .. ,, but let me tell you , ART MUST -HAVE to be - LOCATED - ON - - one - WALL /( TOTAL -WALL - ) ,, of every - 4-WALLed - R O O M ,, .. of ARCHiTECT's - M A D E . ,, /( that is - ART is to be - ADDED -to the " WALL - CONCEPT -of - architecture " .. ) ,, WALLs - /ROOMs ) - without - ART - PiCTURES , will not be accepted , as - A - " TRADE -MARK ed - - WALL " .. ,, that is much more A - claim - than - ART - BOOKs for children . ,, ART - EDUCATiON - is a - long -lasting - a - Project , for every - human -BEing . ,, if 3-WALLs - are for the EARTh , then 4. WALL has to OPEN - to the - OTHER -SiDE ,with a - Picture - making WALL - transparent- .. to see other -side - Angels- there .. /( -creative-art-creatures- -are not THOSE Angels .. -not even in , L.A. )
,, " DARK -SiDE - " , Hides -in every - M i n d .. ,, ,, /( even in - - who are - totally-religious - and - good - people .. ) ,, ,, every -one - has to - - " EXPRESS-OUT - the -DARK -&DARK-SiDE " ,, /( the OTHER-SiDE , and, it's - creatures -&-BEings " ,,) every -day , into these - WALL -PAiNTiNG- - PiCTURE - ,, and know where dark -side-of -his/her's , is AT ,, in which - ROOM - .. ,, Jews - are still - going - to that " ANCiENT-SACRED- WALL " ,, and - try - to-give - the DARK-Side -in them- , into that - WALL . / (I am thinking -like -that ) .. ,, so DARK SiDE , in the Minds - has to be - installed -in , the - " absolute-REAL-SiDE - PiCTURES " , and , free - ALL - - REAL-EXiSTANCE - & SOULs , to their- home-land- - " the - OTHER - SiDE - R E A L i T i E S " .. ,, JUST -LiKE " PR.TRUMPH- should MAKE - - as -SO . -even on the Earth . /( if there are -NOT -THOSE - WALL - PiCTURiNGs - membrane -s are in every - LOCATiON - &BASED-intoARC-Hi-TECHture .
- my violinist friend - informed me about , NATUREL - Music NOTE : LA , was , 432 Hertz . and - GOBELS has carried it - 440 Hz . and - USA also - accepted - it , later .. .. that means - music we hear - - is against - the nature - of the sound . . Also - aesthetics - and -beauty - is not natural - in MUSiC - we are - listening , and we all are - " nervous " - people . ,, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2VOZZN1g_8 ,, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sU2OZMRi15w these are 432 Hz . and - they are - beautiful and - - aesthetic - is pure - and - natural - and - scientific ,, that means - -natural .. Maybe - there is no need that I should have to act like -a - crazy -man . if I listen - to these ,musics . I am studying music - professionally - I was a -child singer - in operas .. from my age 12 . now I can go to my - childhood - sense of beauity -again - it - seem s.
,, beauty - and - AESTHETiCs : ,, ,, NATURAL - LA-note has to be - 432 Hertz . ,, now all music is being TUNED to - 440 or + ,, so - " NATURAL - BEAUTY " - is - A - WAY - from - U S . and - AESTHETiCs is also - - under FORCE ,, and every body - are - nervous .. .. Listen to THiS : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sU2OZMRi15w , MOZART - HAS WRiTTEN - THiS ,, but - they - changed - the NATURE - of - it . /( and - also - t h e - AESTHETiC , .. ) and - so I became the UGLiEST - ART - MAKER - ever ..
https://attunedvibrations.com/432hz-healing/ .. that is to make our " emotional -blockages " , dissolve . ,, but why these " emotional - blockages " , are for . MY - IDEA is - - they want these " BLOCKAGE -WALLs " , in our Brains , and -also in our bodies - - that , -WE ARE TO - " SEE - WiTH - OUR EAR " . /( J.POLLOCK - was - pouring - and - - dripping - that paint - in circles ,, ,, that is - -sound - acts -like that ..in circles .. so he was trying to change - the - knowledge - that -COMES - /( into the art ) ,, from the -direct-LiGHT and Vision ,, ..
- W H Y - because - art has to include -in , also - what EAR - hears . /( also - all other - senses - should reach to the -art ) .. I have MADE-UP a story about that . L.POLLOCK - goes to a - Junk-car-field with A -SLEDGE- HAMMER . and -hits to the " vision -of cars " , and - change them - /( ViSiON - BASES - of seeing -is being changed ) and -it is being - transported - or installing -in -his EARs ,,
continue : /(the -SOUND - of - the " Changing - Vision " ( the car -Figure is changing ) ,,- is - has been - installed -into - his EARS - NOW . /( that is - ViSiON - is installed -and carried - from ViSiON - of the EYE , to the " SOUND -in- THE EAR - " , of the ARTiST's .,,
.. t h e n - J. POLLOCK - goes to the Studio and - begins to express - out , these - " SOUNDS " , in his - E A R .. -of car-destroying - " changing -of the FiGURE " - - Vision , , that is recorded - - in - THE" S O U N D - F O R M " ,, ..
that is - J. Pollock - tries to SEE - images - from -in- the - CiRCLiNG - SOUND-WAVES .. ,, WHEN - A - FiGURE -image - is installed -in - the SOUND , how DOES it - - " MAKE - A - SHAPE " ? - can we see -a image - - /(still visible ) in the SOUND-LiKE CiRCLEs . NO . says - J. POLLOCK ,,
continue :. I studied - J.Pollock ROOM -paintings - in MOMA and - there w a s - nearly -no visible- image ,, in them- even from very close .
-of course-when -EARLY- DriP s-of - PAiNT -occures - there WAS - - some - visual -images - occuring - but - he still - kills - them all, and - DESTROYS - Visual- image -TOTALLY with - his - " SLEDGE -HAMMER " , -still in PAiNTiNG- and - I DO - NOT - LiKE - THAT .. /( some says C I -A , has told , him to do -so ) . ,, after my -" aesthetical - LiNES - ERA " -WORKs - I begun to - improvise - WiTH - PAiNT - also with - - " Circling - LiNE-DRiPs " - from a - spatula . ,, but - this TiME - I left them - there ,,as- fresh - cycling - i m a g e s - near&BENDiNGwith - THE -HEARiNG o f -the -ARTiST's .
so - hearing- EAR - - willTURN&BENT -" the - i m a g e -of the EYE " with &in-THE -" melted-BRAiN- -the -PAiNT ".
LET THiNGs - of art's - - installed -INmultiSENSES- -interACT- inPAiNT-MEDiUM--&-FREELy ..
,, SO - WORLD's - OWNERs ,, /( and -most POWERFULL -MiND's - of- MANKiND - &-image- - MAKERs ),, are - PUTTiNG - - some - unnatural - disharmonic - iMPACTs - in - MiNDs -of - the people -of the WORLD . ,, ,, and - WE ARE TO - SEE - SOME - " CYCLiNG - i m a g e s " - in - these - DiSHARMONiZED - MUSiCs , or in every - SOUND- ON - this - EARTH .. - although -we -still - have - - A - H E A R ing - - with our Natural - EAR . ,, THEY - want - our EARs- to evolve - and -come very near to our -EYES - Visions .. They - want -a - " Human -FORMAT " , who can " SEE - with - the EAR " and - " HEAR - with - the - E Y E " - also . ,, I followed -them - and - " changed -my - BRAiN "
- instead -of - CHANGiNG - the nature -of - " my- "E Y E -SEEing " , and - " EAR-NATURAL-universal - -HEARing " .
so artist -should -ACT Like -that: -I am thinking- while OTHERS -change THEiR-EYES&EARs- into -ROBOT's- ,, MY-BRAiN-is A-Machine-but MY- human-organs are not Isuppose
SO .. : THEY WANT - NATURAL - BRAiNS - from the people /( so they can - PLANT - any THiNG -in these - - natural-brain - MEDiUMs , STiLL ) ,, .... but - MACHiNE - EYES - EARs-and - other MACHiNE - RELATED*- SENSES .. ,, who will - PROViDE - the - HUMAN - NATURE - Related -to the UNiVERSE .. for these - ROBOTiC - arranged - - people - of - future -ideal - Capitalism ..,,
..of course ARTiST's - F i R S T - THiNG - first - JOB , is ,, to - generate - HUMAN - within - themselves , and - keep their - senses - - Human - L i k e .. - but still - THEiR - BRAiN - must - BE , with - MANY - BLOCKAGES ,, JUST -LiKE -in - MACHiNES . /( a machine is made-of- BLOCKAGES ) . ,, so artist has to USE - -HANDs ,, .. because - only with hands -usage - ,, all senses stay still - HUMAN . and - HUMAN - AESTHETiC - has to be generated-&accumulated , so it can be -poured -into art-mediums as- most - e s s e n t i a l - aesthetic- layer . - of the ART-THiNgs -to FORM . ON .&in.