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LiNKEDiN - FORUM - " Welcome to Aesthetics in the Arts "

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David Lisle



Welcome to Aesthetics in the Arts

It is not this groups intention to usurp other groups discussing a similar topic, but it's sole purpose is the discussion of aesthetics with a view to the philosophical restoration of aesthetics and a scientific and philosophical study of aesthetics. Can't be done in an open forum you say? Well that remains to be seen.


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.. I am proceeding - on - ,
- with - that - the - POSTMODERN ? ; thread . , 
. but ready to answer questions if - asked . here .



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  • Re : Rosetta : " inherited instinct " : 
    DNA of human , is both - educational-and there is also " DARK -SiDE " - NESTED in -DNA . ALSO - -to be instinctly-creative , child has to eXpress-OUT- -DARK SiDE of DNA .
    ,,
    THERE are 2 - Kinds of the AesTHEtics . " ANGEL's - AesTHEtics " , /(idealistic - &Capitalism -EKOL ) ,, and - CREATiON-based " - creative - AEStheTiCs " .
    .. in Capitalist - Countries , of course - there has to be - an - ANGEL - LiKE - acting-l , , BUDiST - WAiTiNGinPEACE - aesthetics - for every one . and - also - education -beginning from the schools .
    ,,
    if we /(children ) are to make sports , and ride on the MOViNG-seXual-instinct of DNA s, then they can be " creative " , persons . /( i m p r o visation -is a -yet enough tool for them - to teach themselves - the aesTHEtics , )
    that is, you can not -and should-not- , teach these - children - aesTHEtics .
    ,,
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  • second kind of aim- :
    - can be -4Children who will try to be W i S E , and do not want to make, sports and will try to STAY -&BE - CALM ,, Like to be -in " WAiTiNG - in -PEACE-BUDiST - M O D E " .
    .. /( of course , if some are to TRY- to -be FAST - with their BODY ,, 
    ,, some are to - TRY- to -" ABSOLUTELY - STOP "and , BE ABLE 2- W A i T ..
    with THEiR -BRAiN -& BEing -W i S E , all the , T i m e.
    ,,
    ARTiST has to - BE - BOTH . 
    AS A- Painter - and a fast - PAiNTiNG - person I am , &- in creative - sports 
    I-AM - " clever " , not Wise ,,
    /( in fact I define my IDENTiTy- as A -" SPORTs -MAKER ")
    ,
    -butSTiLL-I AM - to - S i T ,,
    for A - " BUDiST " , WRiTiNG - , " to stop my-body-ABSOLUTELY "-and
    call that - W i S E ,into the alphabet-letters , of my hand writing ,
    /( that is - still my - WRiTiNGbrain- should be -WiSE -4-m e 
    because my sportive- creative-body -sholud'nt be a hybrid , 
    with -my- " WiSE-BRAiN " .
    in fact -my Brain -is not wise 
    my WRiTiNGs are . 
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  • WHAT KiND - of an education :
    ,, clever - comes from the movement and trying to be FASTER .
    -but it has to be - converted -into - BEiNG - WiSE .,,
    ,,
    so when we come to - ART ,,
    art and artist - has to be - clever -first , also ,
    then - that clever - has to be - CONVERTED -into - BEing- - WiSE , .. 
    ,,
    CLASiCAL - PROBLEM here is ,
    ARTiSTs /( they will hide their CLEVER-instinct-CREATUREs , from us , )
    and - TRY - to SHOW-THEM -US , AS - " WiSE-THiNs-THEATRE " 
    as they can BE - WiSE - also ,
    in their - PAiNTiNGs - &ARTs .
    ,,
    SO - ALL - Classical -art - are - " WiSE-BEiNG - -THEATRE Pictures " .
    ,,
    what is lacking -in art -is ,
    ,, where are those crazy-CREATUREs-of -the-free-and FAST-CREATiViTy . 
    WiLL Also " Church ", give artist to show them to people ,
    so they are capable to see -them -with their E-ART-H-Ly , E Y E S .


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  • ,, CAN - " GOD's - CREATiON " , ON - E-ARTh , be ToTALLy - N A K E D :
    ,,and - transparentON-the -E-ART h.
    ..
    ,, DOES - all - - Artists - are - frightened -- -by -the religion- -regulations - that :
    " - N A K E D- , -and - GOD's - creation - - is - FORBiDDEN " 
    to the - NormAL - PEOPLE .
    /( so artist can not show every-body --" the - " NAKED-CREATiON , - itself " .. )
    ,,
    on the OTHER - HAND ; 
    if that - TRANSPARENT - DUALiSTiC - SLiPPERY - - NAKEDNESS , 
    of the - " SUBJECTiVELy - -NEKED-ART " ,
    of - " creation and Creatures "
    -are to be - PUT -in - the - PRiSON , 
    of " ABSOLUTE - VOLUME " , and ,
    BE - PERFECT - ANGEL- MACHiNE - LiKE - T H i N G s ,
    that , will - activate - and - give - ABSOLUTE - SPACE 
    to the - " W i S E " , of the - PEOPLE ,
    ,
    then this -is NOT " ARTist -BEiNG - WiSE - picturings "
    but " ABSOLUTE- ART-SPACE- " -4-the-PEOPLE-
    2BE W i S E -MOViNG-in it .
    /(CAPiTALiST-MiNDs-&WiSDOMhas2-beFREE-in acting-ART-SPACEs 
    4-A-TRUE-PEACE-in-the-WORLD 


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  • art - Education to - the children has to have - BASiC - STANDARD -&SiMPLE- TOOLs:
    ,,
    when it is said - EDUCATiON , 
    I immediatley - understand - - " SiMPLE -TOOLs " ./iNSTRUMENTs .
    ,,
    .. ART - SCHOOL - /or art-iNSTiTUTE - or AN - ACADEMy-of -ARTs .
    - has to be - established - in an - EKOL - .. first ,
    as a - " MAiN- EDUCATiON " ,TOTAL - body ..
    then - the - ESSENTiAL - SiMPLEST - thing -
    - beginning-essentials - can be - brought - - /carried- to ,
    elementary and - High - schools ..
    ,,
    because my father was a teacher - and-an education-Sistem-book writer ,
    ,, I was to - STUDY - - &MAKE -READy, , my - " art-making - instruments " ,
    and - " TOOLs " ,-very - USEful - ,, to the ,
    -Education - of - a r t - - s y s t e m .
    ,,
    in fact - my - art - style , is a - school-LikeA-SiMPLE-aTOOL -System , 
    /( that I put my self -into that school as a - " first -STUDENT "
    and - I am the first - - graduated - child - from there .
    ,
    instead ofBEingA-FREE-soul-BOHEMiAN-ARTiST . 

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  • ,, let me - give an - EXAMPLE -to that ,,
    ,, - " TWO - KiND - of the - AESTHETiCs "
    ,and their - OTHER - THAN - USAGE -differentatiON - : 
    ,,
    https://www.facebook.com/moddanis/media_set?set=a.10209070439971309.1073741936.1027582449&type=3&notif_t=like&notif_id=1478523987455072
    ,,
    there is a FREE-Abstract - ExPRESiON - with - paint , -A-PAiNTiNG ,
    and - then , ,
    COMPUTER - WORK to , make them , THiNGs - Like - 
    ANGEL - - MOTOR - LiKE - - ENGiNE - ART - &WiSOM - SPACEs .
    ,,
    what is to bE - NAME to these - Pictures ? 
    ,can it BE ;
    , " ANCiENT -EGYPT - ROMANiC - BLACK - WARRiORs " .

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  • -what was my favorite MASTER-WORK - that I admired most : 
    ,, http://www.wga.hu/html_m/f/friedric/2/210fried.html ,
    and http://www.everypainterpaintshimself.com/article/van_goghs_church_in_auvers_sur_oise_1890
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    in that church at the tower windows - there are seats ,-
    ready to TAKE-OFF , for A - FLiGHT - to the " OTHER-SiDE " ,
    or 2-Black-Matter -LANDs .
    /( or if you sit -on these -CHAiRS - THE - other -Side -ABSOLUTE ,
    would - come - in - YOU .
    ,,
    some of my childish - PAiNTiNGs and - WORKs . :
    /(beginning from the age 12 -with colored-figure Paintings -of OLD-CLASSiCAL - STYLE . , 
    .. https://www.facebook.com/moddanis/media_set?set=a.10202518092526718.1073741841.1027582449&type=3

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  •  - " 4--ABSOLUTE - SiTTiNG - SEATs " ,, FOR -A - PERSON - 
    to sit - in - BOTH-4- - of THEM .
    - , in an - " Church -TOWER " - ABSOLUTE - BLACK - ROOM - - W i n d o w .

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  • ,,in - Caspar DAViD's CHALK CLiFFES ,,
    ,, there are 3- person s ,,
    /( DAViD himself - wife and - wife's- brother - ..)
    to measure - the - 4 -dimensional - BLUE - - " SEA -WALL " , 
    separated - from HiGH - EARTH , 
    with - TRUE-WHiTE - CHALK - CLiFs ,,
    to - look DEEP - 
    depth - -
    for A - HONEYMOON - night .
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  • - of course - " MAiN - MASTER -ART - WORKs " - has to be - determined ,
    TRUELY ,, AS - THE - BEST - EVER - WORKs - of art ..
    ,,
    but let me tell you ,
    ART MUST -HAVE to be - LOCATED - ON - - one - WALL /( TOTAL -WALL - ) ,,
    of every - 4-WALLed - R O O M ,, .. of ARCHiTECT's - M A D E .
    ,,
    /( that is - ART is to be - ADDED -to the " WALL - CONCEPT -of - architecture " .. ) ,,
    WALLs - /ROOMs ) - without - ART - PiCTURES , 
    will not be accepted , as - A - " TRADE -MARK ed - - WALL " ..
    ,,
    that is much more A - claim - than - ART - BOOKs for children .
    ,, ART - EDUCATiON - is a - long -lasting - a - Project ,
    for every - human -BEing .
    ,,
    if 3-WALLs - are for the EARTh , then 4. WALL has to OPEN - to the -
    OTHER -SiDE ,with a - Picture - making WALL - transparent- .. to see 
    other -side - Angels- there ..
    /( -creative-art-creatures- -are not THOSE Angels ..
    -not even in , L.A. )

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  •  ,, " DARK -SiDE - " , Hides -in every - M i n d ..
    ,,
    ,, /( even in - - who are - totally-religious - and - good - people .. ) ,,
    ,,
    every -one - has to - - " EXPRESS-OUT - the -DARK -&DARK-SiDE " ,,
    /( the OTHER-SiDE , and, it's - creatures -&-BEings " ,,)
    every -day , into these - WALL -PAiNTiNG- - PiCTURE - ,,
    and know where dark -side-of -his/her's , is AT ,,
    in which - ROOM - ..
    ,,
    Jews - are still - going - to that " ANCiENT-SACRED- WALL " ,,
    and - try - to-give - the DARK-Side -in them- ,
    into that - WALL . / (I am thinking -like -that ) ..
    ,,
    so DARK SiDE , in the Minds - has to be - installed -in ,
    the - " absolute-REAL-SiDE - PiCTURES " ,
    and , free - ALL - - REAL-EXiSTANCE - & SOULs ,
    to their- home-land- - 
    " the - OTHER - SiDE - R E A L i T i E S " ..
    ,,
    JUST -LiKE " PR.TRUMPH- should MAKE - - as -SO .
    -even on the Earth .
    /( if there are -NOT -THOSE - WALL - PiCTURiNGs - membrane -s
    are in every - LOCATiON - &BASED-intoARC-Hi-TECHture .











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on the " REAL - other- -SiDE " ,, ,every-SubJecTiVE- THiNG , 
lose - it's ADJECTiVEs ,,
,,
,, and become - - " 4-OTHER- REAL - THiNG " , 
- of the " REAL - OBJECT " - - that EXiSTs on the " other - Side "
/(these - also - can also - - be named
as - -REAL - OBJECTs ) ..

on the other hand ; ,
/( in fact - classical - art - - goes with - ADJECTiVE s of the SUBJECT - FiGURE - ) 
,,
..
POST-MODERN - Makes - 
the SUBJECT-FiGURE -/( the Artist) - SLiPPERY -a - Figure 
so - slippery figure will - be reduced to - " 4-other -images-of the REAL " .
,,
" past present future " - are also to describe - &add, 
- adjectives to the subject-figure ..
..
that is - - past present and future -are - 
- somehow -included in - " REAL's -being - TOTAL " , 
/(- so -thereARE-ONLY- those -" NAMED -REAL -- THiNGs " there .
,,
re: Rosetta : " A ViSUAL-UNiVERSAL -LANGUAGE " 
-Y E S , A " REAL-LiTERATURE " -of- t h e - - LANGUAGE -
-with - " REAL-NAMES " , ON-ly .



  • - my violinist friend - informed me about , NATUREL - Music NOTE : LA , was , 432 Hertz . and - GOBELS has carried it - 440 Hz . and - USA also - accepted - it , later ..
    .. that means - music we hear - - is against - the nature - of the sound . . Also - aesthetics - and -beauty - is not natural - in MUSiC - we are - listening , and we all are - " nervous " - people . 
    ,, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2VOZZN1g_8
    ,, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sU2OZMRi15w
    these are 432 Hz . and - they are - beautiful and - - aesthetic - is pure - and - natural - and - scientific ,, that means - -natural ..
    Maybe - there is no need that I should have to act like -a - crazy -man . if I listen - to these ,musics . I am studying music - professionally - I was a -child singer - in operas .. from my age 12 . now I can go to my - childhood - sense of beauity -again - it - seem s.

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  • ,, beauty - and - AESTHETiCs :
    ,, ,, NATURAL - LA-note has to be - 432 Hertz .
    ,, now all music is being TUNED to - 440 or + 
    ,, so - " NATURAL - BEAUTY " - is - A - WAY - from - U S .
    and - AESTHETiCs is also - - under FORCE ,,
    and every body - are - nervous ..
    .. Listen to THiS :
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sU2OZMRi15w ,
    MOZART - HAS WRiTTEN - THiS ,,
    but - they - changed - the NATURE - of - it .
    /( and - also - t h e - AESTHETiC , .. )
    and - so I became the UGLiEST - ART - MAKER - ever ..










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 I WAS - TOTALLy - O U T - 
-of MY- MiND ,
and - WORKiNG - OUTSiDE - some-where .
for - some - T H i N G - - 
in an - other , - natural - Format .


  • https://attunedvibrations.com/432hz-healing/ 
    .. that is to make our " emotional -blockages " , dissolve .
    ,, but why these " emotional - blockages " , are for .
    MY - IDEA is - - they want these " BLOCKAGE -WALLs " , in our Brains ,
    and -also in our bodies - - that ,
    -WE ARE TO - " SEE - WiTH - OUR EAR " .
    /( J.POLLOCK - was - pouring - and - - dripping - that paint - in circles ,,
    ,, that is - -sound - acts -like that ..in circles ..
    so he was trying to change - the - knowledge - that -COMES - /( into the art ) ,, from the -direct-LiGHT and Vision ,, ..

    - W H Y - because - art has to include -in , also - what EAR - hears .
    /( also - all other - senses - should reach to the -art ) ..
    I have MADE-UP a story about that .
    L.POLLOCK - goes to a - Junk-car-field with A -SLEDGE- HAMMER . 
    and -hits to the " vision -of cars " , and - change them -
    /( ViSiON - BASES - of seeing -is being changed )
    and -it is being - transported - or installing -in -his EARs ,,

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  • continue : /(the -SOUND - of - the " Changing - Vision " ( the car -Figure is changing ) ,,- is - has been - installed -into - his EARS - NOW .
    /( that is - ViSiON - is installed -and carried - from ViSiON - of the EYE ,
    to the " SOUND -in- THE EAR - " , of the ARTiST's .,,

    .. t h e n - J. POLLOCK - goes to the Studio and - begins to express - out ,
    these - " SOUNDS " , in his - E A R ..
    -of car-destroying - " changing -of the FiGURE " - - Vision , ,
    that is recorded - - in - THE" S O U N D - F O R M " ,, ..

    that is - J. Pollock - tries to SEE - images - from -in- the - CiRCLiNG - SOUND-WAVES ..
    ,,
    WHEN - A - FiGURE -image - is installed -in - the SOUND , 
    how DOES it - - " MAKE - A - SHAPE " ? 
    - can we see -a image - - /(still visible ) in the SOUND-LiKE CiRCLEs .
    NO . says - J. POLLOCK ,,

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  • continue :. I studied - J.Pollock ROOM -paintings - in MOMA
    and - there w a s - nearly -no visible- image ,, in them- even from very close .

    -of course-when -EARLY- DriP s-of - PAiNT -occures -
    there WAS - - some - visual -images - occuring - but - he still - kills - them all,
    and - DESTROYS - Visual- image -TOTALLY 
    with - his - " SLEDGE -HAMMER " , -still in PAiNTiNG- 
    and - I DO - NOT - LiKE - THAT ..
    /( some says C I -A , has told , him to do -so ) .
    ,,
    after my -" aesthetical - LiNES - ERA " -WORKs -
    I begun to - improvise - WiTH - PAiNT - 
    also with - - " Circling - LiNE-DRiPs " - from a - spatula . 
    ,, but - this TiME - I left them - there ,,as- fresh - cycling - i m a g e s - 
    near&BENDiNGwith - THE -HEARiNG o f -the -ARTiST's .

    so - hearing- EAR - - willTURN&BENT -" the - i m a g e -of the EYE " 
    with &in-THE -" melted-BRAiN- -the -PAiNT ".

    LET THiNGs - of art's - - installed -INmultiSENSES-
    -interACT- inPAiNT-MEDiUM--&-FREELy ..

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  •  ,, SO - WORLD's - OWNERs ,, /( and -most POWERFULL -MiND's - of- MANKiND - &-image- - MAKERs ),, are - PUTTiNG - - some - unnatural - disharmonic - iMPACTs - in - MiNDs -of - the people -of the WORLD .
    ,,
    ,, and - WE ARE TO - SEE - SOME - " CYCLiNG - i m a g e s " - in - these - DiSHARMONiZED - MUSiCs ,
    or in every - SOUND- ON - this - EARTH ..
    - although -we -still - have - - A - H E A R ing - 
    - with our Natural - EAR .
    ,,
    THEY - want - our EARs- to evolve - and -come very near to our 
    -EYES - Visions .. 
    They - want -a - " Human -FORMAT " , who can " SEE - with - the EAR "
    and - " HEAR - with - the - E Y E " - also .
    ,,
    I followed -them - and - " changed -my - BRAiN " 

    - instead -of - CHANGiNG - the nature -of - " my- "E Y E -SEEing " ,
    and - " EAR-NATURAL-universal - -HEARing " .

    so artist -should -ACT Like -that: -I am thinking- 
    while OTHERS -change THEiR-EYES&EARs- into -ROBOT's- 
    ,, MY-BRAiN-is A-Machine-but MY- human-organs are not 
    Isuppose 

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  • SO .. : THEY WANT - NATURAL - BRAiNS - from the people 
    /( so they can - PLANT - any THiNG -in these -
    - natural-brain - MEDiUMs , STiLL ) ,,
    .... but - MACHiNE - EYES - EARs-and - other MACHiNE - RELATED*- SENSES ..
    ,,
    who will - PROViDE - the - HUMAN - NATURE - Related -to the UNiVERSE ..
    for these - ROBOTiC - arranged - - people - of - future -ideal - Capitalism ..,,

    ..of course ARTiST's - F i R S T - THiNG - first - JOB , is ,,
    to - generate - HUMAN - within - themselves ,
    and - keep their - senses - - Human - L i k e ..
    - but still - THEiR - BRAiN - must - BE , with - MANY - BLOCKAGES ,,
    JUST -LiKE -in - MACHiNES . /( a machine is made-of- BLOCKAGES ) .
    ,,
    so artist has to USE - -HANDs ,, ..
    because - only with hands -usage - ,, all senses stay still - HUMAN .
    and - HUMAN - AESTHETiC - has to be generated-&accumulated ,
    so it can be -poured -into art-mediums
    as- most - e s s e n t i a l - aesthetic- layer .
    - of the ART-THiNgs -to FORM . ON .&in.




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 432 - PROBLEM :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4jqUd3ma3M that video is more basically - explaining - the issue ..

















































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