8 Eylül 2015 Salı

Is it possible for an artist to survive only by talent alone?


Is it possible for an artist to survive only by talent alone?


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https://www.linkedin.com/grp/post/119532-6039073763260121088

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, first-day :


  • Marika Herskovic PhD
    Mirta, I cannot agree with you more. IMHO art education may not hurt but talent is a genetic predisposition which can be inhibited by the denial of expression. What I find fortunate that today there are endless opportunities to connect to receptive audiences.
    6 hours ago
  • Marika Herskovic PhD
    , this conversation i s, coming to my-e-mail, and I think, I am ,involved , i n-it, too, m u c h .. S O, I am to, tell- s o m e, on, t h e- ISSUE ../(Is it possible for an artist to survive only by talent alone? ), I think- my-L i f e, is,a , s i m p l e- example- for -that,, question, , and, I am to, share m y- experiments, and- experiences, , o n, that- T o p i c ..
    ,,S O; where to begin ..
    * " survive " .. first of all, " survive-i n- art ",

    , o r ,, " S u r v i v e-in- L i f e " ..
    ,,
    I will take i t, a s, " survive-i n- art "..
    ,,i f any-one mix-together, t h e s e,, surviving i n-art-and- surviving-i n- L i f e,,
    then, , t a l e n t s, for- a r t, and Talents-for-L i f e, will m i x-up,
    also ../( in F A C T- ARYT-Talents, go with- being-clever,
    and ; L i f e- Talents, go, with, B E i n g- W i S e .. )
    ,,
    S O; first of, all, " t a l e n t e d ", has to w o r k-o n, these talents, too, m u c h ..
    ,, a n d, t h e s e-talent- w o r k,, will M A K E- t h e- ARTist, " t h e- TRUE-WORKER "..
    ,,and TRUE-WORKERs, do n o t, intend, to, B E; W i S E ; also ..
    ,,
    ..o f cıourse, PUBLiC; and,MONEY, goes, after - " b e i n g, W i S E " ..
    /( MONEY-COMEs-i f, you W E R E; W i s e ..),,
    o n the other hand,,
    , ARTiST-MUST; b e, W i s e, somewhere,,
    to M A K E- W i S E,and-PERFECT- F O R M s,,
    ,f o r , CAPiTALiST-NEEDs..

    b u t ,,
    , " NO-W i s d o m " ,, , i n,
    " WORKiNG-&being-aTRUE-WORKER- f i el d..o f, inner-a r t - t a l e n t -improvement-&extension, interactively-&simultaneously .. )..


    ,,
    .. TALENT-GARDEN, i s, A-PLANT- F a c t o r y..
    , y o u, are to, give water, and, all other-gardener-WORKs,,
    and e v e r y, day, so, e v e r y, " PLANT " ;
    /( o r any, fish-in-the water-tank )
    w i l l, L i v e, and, make, their- " ART-FRUiTs " ..
    ,,
    ,, o f course-a r t- that m a y, b e, harvested, from that, " garden-FOREST ",,
    will , l e t,that- " ART-TREE " ; ,, spontaneously-work-and-act- &f r e el y,-produce,
    what e v e r-,i t, i s ,,
    and a s - written- i n, it's nature- i s..
    ,,
    , t h e n- TALENT-based, a r t, has to, b e, , carried, from, " humanity-BODY-GARDEN ",
    to, ART-History-FORMATs,,
    o f, " ART-ARCHiTECTUREs " ..
    ,,
    and, a s far as, my- experience , l e d , m e,,
    that, FORM-MAKiNG-E R A, has to b e, MADE; i n,
    " M A C H i N E- PARK ", only ..
    T H A T; i s, :
    being W i s e, has to b e, ADDED; to, " art- f r u i t s ",,
    o n l y, i n,- /(let's say), Computer- Absolute-Volumes,,
    and, " H U M A N- HAND- should, n o t, t o u c k ", these- " fruits-again-in the court-o f- being-W i s e,
    with h u m a n- BRAiN; this- T i m e..
    ,,/( although- a r t-fruit-has-been- raised, i n, TOTALLy-HUMAN-HAND,,
    ,,and, H U M A N- BODY, that does, not have a W i S E- BRAiN ..i n BODY-TALENTs-based-a r t- f i e l d s..)
    ,,
    t h e n, COMPUTER-U S E, o f, W i S e = MONEY ..i n-the PUBLiC ..
    /( people- w h o, are workers, mostly, h a s- p u r e-hands,
    and, i f, you m i x-their-hans-and-minds,, /(with-artist-liberalizm, i n-body-and-brain ),,
    they, will n o t,
    b u y-that ..
    n o t, to spoil-their- h a n d s , with,
    some- b r a i n-actions, o f,
    liberal-N A M E D,,-artists .. )
    ..
    , a s -an , introduction, I think, that, i s,
    e n o u g h.
    3 hours ago
  • Marika Herskovic PhD
    Murat, sometiimes the nursed plant is taken out from its garden and put in bad soil
    3 hours ago
  • Marika Herskovic PhD
    bad seed...
    2 hours ago
  • Marika Herskovic PhD
    @Murat O D, OK man, something wrong with your keyboard?
    2 hours ago
  • Marika Herskovic PhD
    it's an art keyboard: you can type whatever, and out come ART.
    59 minutes ago

  • PART-1
    Susanne, " SUS ", means, " shut-up ", in Turkish,, and, " anne " -means, , MOTHER ..
    /( there was a ERA; i n, my; L i f e, I said, sus-anne, to my-mother,,
    because she was-cutting-my-quarels, with my-father ..
    m a n- have- to, QUAREL ..)
    ,,
    ..but still you can say any-thing-../( a s- even-any-thing-ABSURD; will take us to , t h e- heart .,,)
    .. so " BAD-SOiL " , I S S U E ..
    ,,
    ,,that will carry-u s, into, Mu s l i m- KURAN- tradition ..
    /( the LANGUAGE, o f, KURAN, i s, a ,example-o f- real-" bad- soil "
    i n, the Meaning and M i nd-also .. -in my-opinion..
    ,,
    so, REALMs, a r e being given, " 4 -free " - t o, MANKiND ,, i n, t h e- KURAN,
    so, i THERE-, i s, " t h e- G i v e r ," ,, t h e - ALLAH; ..
    ,,
    M u s L i m, -GOD, i sKNOWN; a s,,
    " T H E- GiVER- ONLY ", because,
    " the property-THE-THiNGs, o f t h e---E A R T H " ,
    a r e- less, so, every-one, fight- f o r-it ..to kill-each-other.. )
    ,,
    /( b u t, ALLAH, i s, offering-BAD-SOiL-R E A L M y- products,
    much-much-m o r e,, t h e n,,
    the W O R L D-itself-promises, u s.
    ,,
    b u t, it is difficult, ;you are t o -reach them, ; ,, with, some meditation ..)
    ,
    /( I am not a Muslim-though .. but I know-i t ..and can u s e- i t ..and WALK-i n t o- OTHER-SiDE, realms,, and, b e -transandantal- a l s o ..
    ,transandantal-soil-i s, a " b a d- soil ", also .. )
    ,,O N THE-OTHER- h a n d,, there are, " STERiLiZED ", p e o p l e,,
    ,, and they only, n e e d, sun, to shine ..


    and,
    ,,i f you can not deal - w i t h- BAD-SOiL,
    D O, not expect,, ,, any- " ENTiTy- ",
    ../( t h a t, SHOULD- g i v e- U S, RiCHness, o f, t h e-
    other-side )..
    f r o m, " BLACK-MATTER ", and, R e a l m s ..
    ,,
    and s e e, the world- i n- poverty-and-sturving,
    i n, also,a r t..
    /( w h e r e, is, that mythology-b a d- soil- wher,
    t h in g s-grew-m o r e-i n-liberty-and-
    ,, richness .. )



    1 second ago

  • PART-2
    " DREAMs-a r e- clean ", f i r s t,
    when, they are-n e w- born,,
    i n mind, i n a sleep,,
    ,,
    o f, course b u t,
    I think, that, y o u r, REALMy- d r e a m s, are,
    not, also- c l e a n,, S u S anne,,
    ,,
    ,,and, i n Turkish, there are 2-words for, DREAM,,
    /( DÜŞ, & RÜYA ..)
    ,,may b e- s e c o n d,, can b e said,a s,
    realmy-dreams, , "sweet- n i g h t-mares ",
    i n, E nglis h ..
    these a r e- L i b e r a l-DREAMs ..
    ,,
    ..
    ,, S u s anne you think-you-are- talking-wity,
    , b u t, , I think-even-these, simple-words ,,
    will s h o w, m e, /( my-Mind),,
    , your, reflected- " N i g h t-M a r e s ", i n-words- also ..
    ,,..
    ,, " B A D - SOiL " , what you know about BAD-SOiL,,
    you did not e v e n, go to, a
    muslim country e v e n, for a trip, I guyess.
    ,i f you might live in a true-muslim-country,
    you should-have- l e a r n e d, h o w-to-express
    * Liberal-night, mares,,

    ,i n t o- M u s l i m- REALM s,,,
    to make them, M O R E- RiCH ..
    ,, till-today ..

    ,
    ALSO-TiTRUS; y e s, also-BAD-SEEDs,, ..
    /( I CALL-them- A N G E L s ..when they-bloom-like-flowers ..)
    ,, w e ,are to, p u t, " you " , a s a " SEED " ,,
    i n t o, a- " bad-soil-also " ..
    t h e n, , w e, will s e e,,
    i f soil, will b e,or - i s being- SPOiLED; by " the s e e d " , or,,
    D O E S- BAD-SOiL, M A K E S, " BAD-SEED s ", " g o o d " ,
    * r, W O R S E ..

    ,,
    I do not know, y e t, if, you are A-BAD-SEED,
    , o r, a " GOOD ",
    soil to paint,, w e a k-seeds, into, " bad-ONEs ", ..
    ,, ..
    ,,M Y, estimation, : ,, bad seed in bad-soil will
    t u r n-into, " good- s e e d " - e v e r..
    /( b u t, if you are a seed, o f course ..)
    ,,
    BOUDEWiN, is your pen a ink-pan .

    n o t e : Computer is b a d- enough- a- absolute- V o l u m e,, machine,,
    ,,b u t, still-it is not a- " BAD-SOiL " ,, /( S O i L-to f e e d-in F a c t ..)

    n o t e : art-Klavier, detects, , w h o , are, lazy, around ..
    ,,
    n o t : some write-short,, -a sentence- ..
    even-absurd-o r-abstract, respects, m o r e, ,, to, write ..
    ,, laziness, b e c o m e s, ,, " being- p r o ",
    o r, wity,
    w h e n, real-minimal, ..
    i s a way, and,,
    , talks, less.
    , i n, many-sentences..
    ..
    shall-I say ..

    1 second ago

  • ,, what i s that-Muslim, now, h e r e.. ?

    ,, U.S.A., ChristianCAPITALISM,, i s, UPGRADing, to,
    M U S L i M-& BUDHist- states ,,
    ,, i n, CAPiTALism..
    ,,
    so, that IDEAL-BUDHist-Capitalism, w i l lk,
    b e able, to, give- p e o p l e-of that-regime,,
    L i k e, and- W H A T ; ALLAH- o f f e r s..
    ,,
    t h e y, say, i f, NOT-ALLAH-R E A L M s-imported,,
    " W O R L D- PEACE ", will n o t,
    b e, achived,,
    /( because- e a r t h-is- a starving-place ..i n-fact ..
    look at the Christian-Prists, ,how-they-offer-to-suffer-and-starve ..
    1 second ago

  • ,,artist has to, " starve-in-art-disciplines ", , o n, the other, hand .
    ,,
    ,,w i s e-people-are not art-workers-p u r e.
    ,,t h ey, a r e, L i b e r a l- architects..
    voluntarily-to-Capitalism' s- progress..


second- d a y :



  • To answer you Marika: I truly don't know but, wonder about the island artist like Jamaica, Cuba and other places where art seams to be from the heart. If those crafted items are not just talent give me the facts. I need to know.
    1 day ago

  • Mirta, I cannot agree with you more. IMHO art education may not hurt but talent is a genetic predisposition which can be inhibited by the denial of expression. What I find fortunate that today there are endless opportunities to connect to receptive audiences.
    1 day ago

  • , this conversation i s, coming to my-e-mail, and I think, I am ,involved , i n-it, too, m u c h .. S O, I am to, tell- s o m e, on, t h e- ISSUE ../(Is it possible for an artist to survive only by talent alone? ), I think- my-L i f e, is,a , s i m p l e- example- for -that,, question, , and, I am to, share m y- experiments, and- experiences, , o n, that- T o p i c ..
    ,,S O; where to begin ..
    * " survive " .. first of all, " survive-i n- art ",

    , o r ,, " S u r v i v e-in- L i f e " ..
    ,,
    I will take i t, a s, " survive-i n- art "..
    ,,i f any-one mix-together, t h e s e,, surviving i n-art-and- surviving-i n- L i f e,,
    then, , t a l e n t s, for- a r t, and Talents-for-L i f e, will m i x-up,
    also ../( in F A C T- ARYT-Talents, go with- being-clever,
    and ; L i f e- Talents, go, with, B E i n g- W i S e .. )
    ,,
    S O; first of, all, " t a l e n t e d ", has to w o r k-o n, these talents, too, m u c h ..
    ,, a n d, t h e s e-talent- w o r k,, will M A K E- t h e- ARTist, " t h e- TRUE-WORKER "..
    ,,and TRUE-WORKERs, do n o t, intend, to, B E; W i S E ; also ..
    ,,
    ..o f cıourse, PUBLiC; and,MONEY, goes, after - " b e i n g, W i S E " ..
    /(MONEY-COMEs-i f, you W E R E; W i s e ..),,
    o n the other hand,,
    , ARTiST-MUST; b e, W i s e, somewhere,,
    to M A K E- W i S E,and-PERFECT- F O R M s,,
    ,f o r , CAPiTALiST-NEEDs..

    b u t ,,
    , " NO-W i s d o m " ,, , i n,
    " WORKiNG-&being-aTRUE-WORKER- f i el d..o f, inner-a r t - t a l e n t -improvement-&extension, interactively-&simultaneously .. )..


    ,,
    .. TALENT-GARDEN, i s, A-PLANT- F a c t o r y..
    , y o u, are to, give water, and, all other-gardener-WORKs,,
    and e v e r y, day, so, e v e r y, " PLANT " ;
    /( o r any, fish-in-the water-tank )
    w i l l, L i v e, and, make, their- " ART-FRUiTs " ..
    ,,
    ,, o f course-a r t- that m a y, b e, harvested, from that, " garden-FOREST ",,
    will , l e t,that- " ART-TREE " ; ,, spontaneously-work-and-act- &f r e el y,-produce,
    what e v e r-,i t, i s ,,
    and a s - written- i n, it's nature- i s..
    ,,
    , t h e n- TALENT-based, a r t, has to, b e, , carried, from, " humanity-BODY-GARDEN ",
    to, ART-History-FORMATs,,
    o f, " ART-ARCHiTECTUREs " ..
    ,,
    and, a s far as, my- experience , l e d , m e,,
    that, FORM-MAKiNG-E R A, has to b e, MADE; i n,
    " M A C H i N E- PARK ", only ..
    T H A T; i s, :
    being W i s e, has to b e, ADDED; to, " art- f r u i t s ",,
    o n l y, i n,- /(let's say), Computer- Absolute-Volumes,,
    and, " H U M A N- HAND- should, n o t, t o u c k ", these- " fruits-again-in the court-o f- being-W i s e,
    with h u m a n- BRAiN; this- T i m e..
    ,,/( although- a r t-fruit-has-been- raised, i n, TOTALLy-HUMAN-HAND,,
    ,,and, H U M A N- BODY, that does, not have a W i S E- BRAiN ..i n BODY-TALENTs-based-a r t- f i e l d s..)
    ,,
    t h e n, COMPUTER-U S E, o f, W i S e = MONEY ..i n-the PUBLiC ..
    /( people- w h o, are workers, mostly, h a s- p u r e-hands,
    and, i f, you m i x-their-hans-and-minds,, /(with-artist-liberalizm, i n-body-and-brain ),,
    they, will n o t,
    b u y-that ..
    n o t, to spoil-their- h a n d s , with,
    some- b r a i n-actions, o f,
    liberal-N A M E D,,-artists .. )
    ..
    , a s -an , introduction, I think, that, i s,
    e n o u g h.
    1 day ago

  • Murat, sometiimes theNURSED plant is taken out from its garden and put in bad soil
    1 day ago

  • bad seed...
    1 day ago

  • @Murat O D, OK man, something wrong with your keyboard?
    1 day ago

  • it's an art keyboard: you can type whatever, and out come ART.
    1 day ago

  • M urat !!!...it's time for your bath !!!!!
    22 hours ago

  • PART-1
    Susanne, " SUS ", means, " shut-up ", in Turkish,, and, " anne " -means, , MOTHER ..
    /( there was a ERA; i n, my; L i f e, I said, sus-anne, to my-mother,,
    because she was-cutting-my-quarels, with my-father ..
    m a n- have- to, QUAREL ..)
    ,,
    ..but still you can say any-thing-../( a s- even-any-thing-ABSURD; will take us to , t h e- heart .,,)
    .. so " BAD-SOiL " , I S S U E ..
    ,,
    ,,that will carry-u s, into, Mu s l i m- KURAN- tradition ..
    /( the LANGUAGE, o f, KURAN, i s, a ,example-o f- real-" bad- soil "
    i n, the Meaning and M i nd-also .. -in my-opinion..
    ,,
    so, REALMs, a r e being given, " 4 -free " - t o, MANKiND ,, i n, t h e- KURAN,
    so, i THERE-, i s, " t h e- G i v e r ," ,, t h e - ALLAH; ..
    ,,
    M u s L i m, -GOD, i sKNOWN; a s,,
    " T H E- GiVER- ONLY ", because,
    " the property-THE-THiNGs, o f t h e---E A R T H " ,
    a r e- less, so, every-one, fight- f o r-it ..to kill-each-other.. )
    ,,
    /( b u t, ALLAH, i s, offering-BAD-SOiL-R E A L M y- products,
    much-much-m o r e,, t h e n,,
    the W O R L D-itself-promises, u s.
    ,,
    b u t, it is difficult, ;you are t o -reach them, ; ,, with, some meditation ..)
    ,
    /( I am not a Muslim-though .. but I know-i t ..and can u s e- i t ..and WALK-i n t o- OTHER-SiDE, realms,, and, b e -transandantal- a l s o ..
    ,transandantal-soil-i s, a " b a d- soil ", also .. )
    ,,O N THE-OTHER- h a n d,, there are, " STERiLiZED ", p e o p l e,,
    ,, and they only, n e e d, sun, to shine ..


    and,
    ,,i f you can not deal - w i t h- BAD-SOiL,
    D O, not expect,, ,, any- " ENTiTy- ",
    ../( t h a t, SHOULD- g i v e- U S, RiCHness, o f, t h e-
    other-side )..
    f r o m, " BLACK-MATTER ", and, R e a l m s ..
    ,,
    and s e e, the world- i n- poverty-and-sturving,
    i n, also,a r t..
    /( w h e r e, is, that mythology-b a d- soil- wher,
    t h in g s-grew-m o r e-i n-liberty-and-
    ,, richness .. )



    22 hours ago

  • PART-2
    " DREAMs-a r e- clean ", f i r s t,
    when, they are-n e w- born,,
    i n mind, i n a sleep,,
    ,,
    o f, course b u t,
    I think, that, y o u r, REALMy- d r e a m s, are,
    not, also- c l e a n,, S u S anne,,
    ,,
    ,,and, i n Turkish, there are 2-words for, DREAM,,
    /( DÜŞ, & RÜYA ..)
    ,,may b e- s e c o n d,, can b e said,a s,
    realmy-dreams, , "sweet- n i g h t-mares ",
    i n, E nglis h ..
    these a r e- L i b e r a l-DREAMs ..
    ,,
    ..
    ,, S u s anne you think-you-are- talking-wity,
    , b u t, , I think-even-these, simple-words ,,
    will s h o w, m e, /( my-Mind),,
    , your, reflected- " N i g h t-M a r e s ", i n-words- also ..
    ,,..
    ,, " B A D - SOiL " , what you know about BAD-SOiL,,
    you did not e v e n, go to, a
    muslim country e v e n, for a trip, I guyess.
    ,i f you might live in a true-muslim-country,
    you should-have- l e a r n e d, h o w-to-express
    * Liberal-night, mares,,

    ,i n t o- M u s l i m- REALM s,,,
    to make them, M O R E- RiCH ..
    ,, till-today ..

    ,
    ALSO-TiTRUS; y e s, also-BAD-SEEDs,, ..
    /( I CALL-them- A N G E L s ..when they-bloom-like-flowers ..)
    ,, w e ,are to, p u t, " you " , a s a " SEED " ,,
    i n t o, a- " bad-soil-also " ..
    t h e n, , w e, will s e e,,
    i f soil, will b e,or - i s being- SPOiLED; by " the s e e d " , or,,
    D O E S- BAD-SOiL, M A K E S, " BAD-SEED s ", " g o o d " ,
    * r, W O R S E ..

    ,,
    I do not know, y e t, if, you are A-BAD-SEED,
    , o r, a " GOOD ",
    soil to paint,, w e a k-seeds, into, " bad-ONEs ", ..
    ,, ..
    ,,M Y, estimation, : ,, bad seed in bad-soil will
    t u r n-into, " good- s e e d " - e v e r..
    /( b u t, if you are a seed, o f course ..)
    ,,
    BOUDEWiN, is your pen a ink-pan .

    n o t e : Computer is b a d- enough- a- absolute- V o l u m e,, machine,,
    ,,b u t, still-it is not a- " BAD-SOiL " ,, /( S O i L-to f e e d-in F a c t ..)

    n o t e : art-Klavier, detects, , w h o , are, lazy, around ..
    ,,
    n o t : some write-short,, -a sentence- ..
    even-absurd-o r-abstract, respects, m o r e, ,, to, write ..
    ,, laziness, b e c o m e s, ,, " being- p r o ",
    o r, wity,
    w h e n, real-minimal, ..
    i s a way, and,,
    , talks, less.
    , i n, many-sentences..
    ..
    shall-I say ..

    22 hours ago

  • ,, what i s that-Muslim, now, h e r e.. ?

    ,, U.S.A., ChristianCAPITALISM,, i s, UPGRADing, to,
    M U S L i M-& BUDHist- states ,,
    ,, i n, CAPiTALism..
    ,,
    so, that IDEAL-BUDHist-Capitalism, w i l lk,
    b e able, to, give- p e o p l e-of that-regime,,
    L i k e, and- W H A T ; ALLAH- o f f e r s..
    ,,
    t h e y, say, i f, NOT-ALLAH-R E A L M s-imported,,
    " W O R L D- PEACE ", will n o t,
    b e, achived,,
    /( because- e a r t h-is- a starving-place ..i n-fact ..
    look at the Christian-Prists, ,how-they-offer-to-suffer-and-starve ..
    22 hours ago

  • @Murat, I would call it affronted acting like this in a serious discussion. You better try aFORUM on poetry....
    22 hours ago

  • ,,artist has to, " starve-in-art-disciplines ", , o n, the other, hand .
    ,,
    ,,w i s e-people-are not art-workers-p u r e.
    ,,t h ey, a r e, L i b e r a l- architects..
    voluntarily-to-Capitalism' s- progress..
    22 hours ago

  • YOU ! , don't say !....Muuurrrraaaat your bath is ready!!!
    22 hours ago

  • Talent doesn't care about survival, it's only care is for the art.
    21 hours ago

  • Murat, you should not assume anything about my privateLIFE as you don't know me at all. Thank you.
    21 hours ago

  • ,who-provokate-the-topic,
    ,,
    by- being-w i t y,,
    as they do not give the defination,, ..
    , t h e n, taking-conversation-
    a w a y, from, t h e, ISSUE,,
    and e x t e n d, " t h e- TALK ",,
    ,,
    ,,a n d ,, , then; -talk- less,,
    will g e t, that,
    " d e z-imformative -talks-from m e " ..

    ..
    / if I don't know y o u, then,, all-I -am-telling-
    must b e,
    o n l y- " m y- i m a g i n a t i o n bb" ..
    ,,c a n I NOT; i m a g i n e-you,, i f,
    y o u- talk- less ..
    ,,as you b e- - a liberal-pro- ..o n l y ..
    and extend-EVERY-THiNG-f o r-NOTHiNG,, ..
    ,,
    s o, as you thank- m e,, ..
    ,,
    ,, tell-m e, more about that,,
    " b a d-soil- Susanne .. 
    21 hours ago

  • Mark, you nailed it!
    21 hours ago

  • Ian, the bath is for Marat.
    Murat will take the shower...
    21 hours ago

  • I can imagine Murat's spastic left: CAP space bar S dash, UPPER C space bar ASE, right pinky...
    21 hours ago

  • BED-Win,, ,, serious, can not b e, that s e r i al-Killer,, .. .. R e l A X.
    ,,
    coudn't you find, any-thing, to, discuss,, s e r i o u s,
    i n, my, all- w r i t t e n, i d e a s ..
    any-thing-at all, s e r i o u s ..
    ,,
    o r, do you need, , -sterile-sentences, o n l y ,,
    to improve, t h e, T o p i c,
    ONLy- "for-book " s..
    /( just ready-to, give-to the -press..) ..

    ,, Ian-I do not needothers, to, make, m y- BATH- READy..
    , I n e v e r, get OUT-of- M Y- B A T H .. L O L .. 
    21 hours ago

  • Murat, fecund = cool ideas, NOT spastic typing...
    Spastic typing = sterile, because nobody reads it... well, I don't...

    My loss? doubt it ;-D
    20 hours ago

  • ,,Susanne, your-prvite-life,-is-yours, and , we do not know-it,,so do not bring it to here, please..
    as you say " my-pritvate-life ", .., y o u r self .. /(not-me)..ON-t h e other-hand-I can carry-my-l i f e-here,because it,is not private ..my-l i f e, has been given, t o, art-talent-works-and-extensions, o f, a r t, only ..; I SWiM-in-My-B A T H ,, ,,only-and, i t, is worshipped-to-art only-and-any-one-can-touch, , i t.. .. a r e-talking-here,, as-a-talented, o r,as a " w i s e-but-private-person" ..
    20 hours ago

  • a r e-YOU-talking-here,, as-a-talented, o r,as a " w i s e-but-private-person" .. ? , D.
    20 hours ago

  • what are you asking, Murat?
    20 hours ago

  • oh ? Titus ?,....may be Marat 's bath is ready for Murat, the never swim .ending .
    20 hours ago

  • Titus, I am to sterile-my- b a t h,,
    b u t, d o, not, need, " to sterile-all-of a nation ", o r, t h e- sivilised- W o r l d ..
    w e, need, every- microbes- i n, &on- e a r t h, as, to proceed, " creation-of, the God's-nature ..
    ,,W H AT, DO; I a sk ..
    ,,
    ,people here,,
    W H O-are-talking-i n-the claim-that-they a r e, talented .. ?,,
    and- w h o- a r e-talking- , as they- a r e, playing-
    " wise-privates ", o n l y ..
    ,,
    because w e,OPEN, our minds, and, hands, and,,
    they, o n l y, LOOK, and, prefer, one..
    ,,
    ,,S O; ,, Susanne, I think-is being-wise, b u t, hiding-after, /( BEHiND),,
    " b e i n g, talented " ..
    ,, s h e has right-to-touch-* " my-OPEN-talent " ,,
    , b u t, I can not, F i n d-her-talent-l a b o r-to touch ,, ..i n-return ..
    ,, " s h e, immediately-hides, after, being- W i S e " ..
    ..
    ,, you Titus- you are also- A W i S e-playing- PERSON,
    b u t, at, l e a s t, " your-being-W i S e ",,
    i s, OPEN-2- A N Y- O N E .. 
    20 hours ago

  • I don't understand, Murat...
    20 hours ago

  • ,,m y BATH- ,has to be sterile . because art-land-country-has to be, sterile .because we live in a world- infected-by-r e a l m s .. i f, w e, can, " nail-realms-into art-, then, this EARTH, can not be infected, by those who claim that we do not have " r e a l m s ", so w e, are to be infected by them , to be included,i n,them,and, than, " c a t c h ", them, and, carry them, to ,ourEARTH, as art, and, W O R L D,will not be, reasonably-i n f a c t e d, by-those-wild-capitalist-PERSONS,, ,, a s, they are, W i s e, and, w e,are, not .. W i S e ..
    20 hours ago

  • Jesus, Murat, all I understood was that you were gardening and that you now have earth under your fingernails, and that you are concerned about tetanus, because it would lock CAPS on your keyboard... is that it?
    20 hours ago

  • How do you sterilize your bath Murat?
    19 hours ago

  • ,, art , i n fact, has m u l t i, disciplines,, Susanne .. //( they say cinema is the 7. )
    so, i f someone-will-d o, more than -o n e -art, ,
    /(other-than-the-one , mostly-that has been-taught-in school- ones ),,
    ,,
    ,, e v e r y- other- discipline- c l e a n s- t h e -former-done-,,
    and, so, you, s t i l l, will b e, kept,in, " your-art-bath-body "
    ,, ,and-always- b e -d o i n g s-
    for p u r e-art- d e e d s..
    a s a " deeds-pool " .. also ..

    ../( of course ,artist has to be-, multi-talented-
    for this-doings ,, and l i f e-has to be covered,
    by, these, multi,-doings-of-art ..o n l y .. ),,
    and that-a r t- b o d y-of-talents, will,
    M A K E-to also,swim, i n,
    a, short- f i e l d,,
    b u t, " multi-fields- nested, i n " ,
    will b e there, a l s o ..
    ,,I think .. 
    19 hours ago

  • Are you multi talented Murat?
    19 hours ago

  • well, keyboard art is one... ;-)
    18 hours ago

  • Hi Mirta, sorry, I missed your comments. >"Not all humans are heartless". No thank god for that Mirta, nobody in here has suggested that either - but it seems as humans are on the same platform as ever - fairy tales and stories throughout time have told us the same things about good and evil. It is eternal how we fight with this issue - and I want to point out that there is an individual choise in life , maybe not for everybody as you can be born with something lacking in your brain or having been mistreated in very early years that has made severe damage to your mind and social interaction... The individuals who totally lack in empathy for medical, genetic or psychological reasons are very hard to teach. The rest of us have a choise to listen to our hearts or to shut them.
    17 hours ago

  • Maybe perception is sometimes influenced by social context.
    11 hours ago

  • ,artist, h a s, to follow, social-context, also .. there i s, a story-ground, also for artist, i n, social-m e d i u m ../( " influenced " ; by social-contex..N O, ,artist has to u s e, social-e v e n t s and happening s, ,as a crime-area, and, take-t h e - part,-&which-side-to b e , i n- )..that is , every-artist has to have a quarel-with, social-activities , and has to put him/her-self, just ,into the core, of these happening s..b u t there is a difference, h e r e.. i f, you are artist although, you are ready-to, b e in-Public, and, Social-activities, , , n e v e r , g i v e, your-self-to-P u b l i c.. or to social-happenings .. b e c a u s e, you are to give PUBLiC; and, Y o u r s e l f, and your " reactions- " , to, t h e , " art-mediums ", only ..

    ,what ever- you, l i v e, J u s t, do not, give respond s, to who, provoked- y o u ..i n the Public &social-platforms .. because you are not a " P u b l i c-Maker ", or a Public-architect .., i n s t e a d , with your reaction-to-the P u b l i c, /(reaction- covers- the whole-pubilc-& y o u r-self, in, it ),,y o u are to, give, " all ", to t h e, art-medium .. /( that i s, also, i f you are a activist-for-example, y o u, are not, a - a r t-ist ..)..P o u r-or-p u k e, your self-&your-stomack, always, i n t o, arts, with all of your, multi talents,, a s, they-all-holding , and , cover i n g, all o f, your, b o d y, and, soul, also ../(and, also, a r t-has-to-have a BODY; a n d, it, is better, a s, a total-system-human-body-i s, ,a r t-has to b e- based, to, multi-talented-human-body-system, t o, b e, t h e- W h o l e.. )
    ,,
    ,,so fuck, psicology-genetic-social-perceptions, or, Public.. what ever, i s out-there out, o f, you, standing.. ..,/(also what-public-will b e , o r do ..) J u s t, be ,i n your, body-System,, /(bath,,o r pool),, and-expressing-i t-out, totally,in to art-mediums.., by-only-your-straight-and-TRUE--and-genuine &unique-, t a l e n t s..,as youWORK only with-your-talents, as instruments,/( not, -Pubic-as-an-instrument ) , t h e n, your-m u l t i, talents, will, l e a r n, to-be-combined, i n, a -u n i q u e-system- -that-is-h u m an--body,, and art w i l l, have to b e, based, on, " h u m a n-only", i f, w e , desire, to, stay-human, with- a r t-instrument, also ..
    P u b l i c- makes, u s, machines,/( PUBLiC-is A machine that swallows-h u m a n-System, i n )../( I prefer-to u s e, technology- i n s t e a d,of, being a PART; to, t h e- " PUBLiC-machine " ..).. , and,P u b l i c- will , l e a d-u s, " out, o f, h u m a n-System .. ..
    S O, a r t-has to include-i n,
    " h u m a n-System-" , i n, and a s a b a s e..,,basically ..
    ,,a r t -has to be a adventure-beginnig from, " totally-human-sysem-i n, ,to, the FORMs,
    that, a r e, NOT , from our-planet, b u t, ,, the-property-o f- t h e- ABSOLUTE-SPACEs, o f, the " let's-say, " O T H E R- S i D e ", where, our-souls, have-come . 
    3 hours ago

  • ,, " not social-influence, b u t, Social-f o r c e ,o f L i f e ,, " l o v e s-and-LOSSES . " " .. :

    ,,in that video, "i t is being said, " /( at, T i m e >. 1 .35 minute ..), that M o z a rt, -genious-, w a s, forced, by- l i f e, to, happen-and-come- o u t, into, art, that-c l o s e , -to-us-also).. 
    3 hours ago

  • If talent doesn’t help you to survive. This morning I was shocked by the announcement in my daily paper, which I use to read having my fist cup of coffee: Joost Zwagerman is dead.
    If they publish your photo in black and white, one third of the page on the place where you have your first contact whit the outer world, you feel there’ something wrong.
    My sadness is about the man himself, he suffered from depressions and death was the only way out.
    There are so many talented artists, who despite of their talent and success are real loners. Joost could tell about his favorite painters, especially Mark Rothko, who did not survive in real. Rothko ended in almost black.
    With the enthusiasm of an enthused teacher JZ could explain in TVPROGRAMS, what art is about.
    Reading his memorial, there was the question about talent, about being an artist, about the bohemian. Do we really have respect for those who givesLIFE color? Or do we treat them like a cloud of milk in my morning coffee, French style, café au lait?
    Their monuments are the paintings, music, films and not the the least one their poetry and writings. 
    2 hours ago


  • PART-1

    ..,Susanne, I think, I am multi, talented,
    ,,I think ..

    * music talent made, m e, in-roles, in 14, OPERA, child, roles , and, singing, children, voice in operas.. and I was a chorus-mamber in Ankara-Radio.

    ,,nowadays, I am, a , " Piano-imrovisation-performans- maker " ../(not in a chourus, but with,a instrument-piano . ), and, I have more than-300-CD 's i n, my-library- as sessions-of-impro s. )
    ..and I did not get, e v e n, o n e- Piano-l e a r n in g- lesson ..
    M y-music-talent-i s, my most-naked- -un-w e a r e d,by learnings-
    t a l e n t,.. I think. ..also, painting, writing, dance i n g- are my, improvisational,,
    ,, " naked-talents ",, ..
    ..S O; W E, ALSAO, C O M E;
    TO-THAT; " T A L E N T-ALONE ", C o n c e p t..
    " A L O N E- &-NAKED ", I am, to, a d d.
    /( ALSO, m y- keyboard- a r t, i s, to, O P E N-ALPHEBET- L e t t e r s,,
    ,,to b e, naked, s o, , all other, disciplines,,
    " color-dance-sound-&music, c a n-l e a k, into,
    m y- Alphabet-letters, ,, t h i s, time ..
    S O; writing can b e, " a NAKED-A R T ", and, made-total,b y,,
    o t h e r- mediums, s u c k e d, i n.,
    I guess..
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z03lssipKJ8


    ,,
    * because my father was,a book-writer, I b e g u n, to, write, " /(copy), " my-school-books ", ..that means, my-adventure, /( TOUCH),,-with- ALPHABETH, b e g u n, , and it evolved, to my-writing-talent-o f- " t h e- ALPH a 'b e t h,, w r i t i n g " ,,/(also, ALPHA'BETH, i s a, B a t h, to, my-body-existance..),,..

    ,,where did , t h i s, writing-t a l e n t-of-the-Alphabeth, come to, these, days..
    ,," ONE-PAGE-4-writings " ..write, 4-other-writings, to a page..-f o rm a t ..that means, what ever-you-think, p u t-them-into-a- , 4-step-4-OTHER-WRiTiNg, ,all,i n, one-writing-performance..
    t h a t, also, m e a n s, you , a r e,TO WORK, the-TOPiC, into, these, " SQUARE ",
    o n e-page, writings.. / (b e i n g- W i s e, but, to DiViDE-iNTO-4-parts..
    L i k e, in a SYMPHONY-with-4-parts..
    ,,I can say, m y- /(being-W i se, is the worker, o f, my- " DiViDE-by-4 ",, , department ..)..
    ,,and " dividing-by-4, i s, maybe my-BASiC- MiND-TALENT,,
    that has , occurred, i n, 40, years ..
    http://www.artslant.com/la/articles/show/29433

    * my, talent, to, sports.. .. every-day-when I was, a child,

    ,,after school, I always, - e v e r y-day-,, o f my-life--also ,, I played, football-o r, basketball, every-day-out-side..in last 20 years, I also, play-T a b l e-Tennis,, and, I am, good, a t,it, also ..
    , I w a s, playing, in, a basketball-c l u b, for 4, years,, i n, the L e a g u e, ..
    when I w a s, young..
    ,,n o w , still every day, I shoot-basketbal- , every-day, a s, a- d a n c e,,
    ../( a dancer-i n,an other- art-discipline- ,, also ..I would say .)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wcBXSyi69shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42I2DuAGrWY
    1 hour ago
  • Marika Herskovic PhD
    PART-2

    * ,, my father, was, a painter-when he was, a child.. so, I w a s, painting, what , m y-father,,

    w a s,DRAWING, for, m e, ,, w h e n, I w a s, 3-6, years ,old.. so, paint-and-color,
    has b e en, installed, i n, m e..
    ,,and I can s a y, ,, I can say, I have a -naked-talent- with, COLORs- and-P A i N t ..
    ,,
    and in my- " PAiNTiNG-as-an- a r t " ,, understanding,,
    ,i n s r e a d, of, DRAWiNG-the-Picture, with-hand,
    ,, y o u are, to, draw, and, /( ," divide-i t-into for sides-of a painting ", ),,
    b y- the m e a n s, of, alphabet..

    ,, that , i s .. I c u t, my-drawing- l i n e s ,-of a picture- ,
    into, the latters-o f-alphabet, /( letters-are-lines-also ),,
    and, they-are-packed-as- " l i n e- quants " ,,
    and , w h e n, I am, swiming-in-paint, and,
    colors, , t h e s e- " line- quant-packets ", desolve, in,
    t h e- color-medium, to become, t h e,
    l i n e s, o f, t h e,,
    ,, " painting-freely, and, d u e-to-these- color s.there, acting- f r e e l y..)
    ../( it is very-difficult to, paint inbetween, t h e, L i n e s,,
    that has b e e n, drawn, before..
    ,, contrarily, , colors, has to invite-lines, into, t h e,
    painting, as they-have -n-been, " ready-mades ", ,,
    in, the " alphabet-letter-l i n e- guant-packets " ..
    ..
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SS1MVIBZLg


    ..
    ,
    these are, my-MOST-BASiC,-TALENT, structurings,,
    ,,
    also, t h e r e, a r e, m a n y, ,, many-m o r e,t a l e n t s- I use,
    i n, L i f e,,
    b u t,
    these, a r e, my- " ART-schooling EKOLE--MAKiNGs " , ..
    ,,as i f I am in a school, still, and, these are,
    my- " H O M E-WORKs " , still , &- every-day ..
    /( a r t-,i s a, SCHOOL-that never-ends )..
    ..



    ,,
    ,, CONCLUSSiON .. :
    ,, talent- h a s, to, b e, " a High-WAY ", to, a r t,-CREATURES, and, THiNGs,, ,,
    and i t ha s, t o, b e kept, M U L T i, and,OPEN,, continuously, spontaneously, and,
    simultaneously ..
    f o r , them, t o, L A N D; O N, E A R T H, i n, /( and -into),,
    art-mediums..
    ..
    you can not make-art-by-knowing-i t..
    /8 that will t i e-your-body-and-talents,, and, t h e- capeablities, and,
    creativeness, and, t a l e n t s, also, o f, t h e s e,, THiNGs-and-CREATURES, o f,
    l i f e..
    /( artist has to take care of the-creatures, and creation-to-happen,
    i n s t e a d, of, CHURCH, c a r e s, for, god's created, and, creatures, and-will-create, ..)
    ..
    art-has to b e-Christian-and-Muslim ../( basically-estimated..)
    ,, c r e a t u r e s, and-creatings-has to b e, " free, l e t - freely expressed-)..
    ,,o n, the OTHER-H A N D,,
    ,," F O R M-is MADE-i n, REALMs, and-OTHER-WORLD's TOTAL-ARCHiTECTURiNGs,,
    * b e c a u s e, in REALMs, there are NO; atoms, to, carry-the MASS,,

    ,,/( -like- there are no-atoms-in-dream-spaces,, and imagination.. , also ..) ..
    ,,
    L A S T; THiNG,,
    ,,a r t, has to, COME-or-pass-intrough, H A N D s ..
    S O; MULTi-TALENTED; b u t, disciplined, i n -H A N D s ..
    ,,writing-painting-Piano-playing- -basketball-playing,
    all w i t h, s a m e,- HANDs ..
    ,,
    1 hour ago
  • Marika Herskovic PhD
    ,,and Susanne, art-has to be- " m u l t i-Talented ", also ..
    ,,i n reverse .. /( if artist-i s- working-in,multi-talent-school-EKOL,
    ,, i n-return-a r t- goes-to-b e-multi-talented, also ..
    .. " G O D, save-M O D E R N i T y- QUEEN " ..
    ,,
    ,,a talented-WRiTiNG-
    has to have, " 4-Writings",
    in,A-writing-performance ..
    ,,
    A TALENTED-painting-
    has, to, have,,
    " 4-SiDEs ", o f- -A-PAiNTiNG ,
    ,, a " modern-thing ",
    /( ON EVERY-o n e-S i d e, of, the Painting ),,
    * can b e- defined, as-A- " Painting-i m a g e " ,,

    ,,that i s ,,
    every-painting-has-to have, " 4-PAiNTiNG s ",
    o n, every- side../(of the canvas..)
    ..
    that is also, " a symphony-divided, into 4,, -by-4-sides- "
    ,,s t i l, your- W i S E-has to b e, a WORKER,
    a-driver-, to , " divide-TOPiC-into-4-PARTs " ..
    ,,4-pictures-of a painting, has to, b e, in, " O N E-PAiNTiNG " ..
    ,,so, PAiNT-combines-4-P i c t u r e ,,
    i n t o-ONE-TOTAL-PAiNTiNG..
    ,,
    so that, i s, unique, and-improvised, and,
    never, can b e, MADE-, REPRODUCTiON, b y,
    other, paintings, also ..
    /( no- fake-art- e v e r- UNiQUE- solution, opportunity ..
    that can b e, created, b y- art-EKOL,, -by; ,FORMATs, o f, art-making- ..

    ,, n o t e :
    ,,a s a painter,, i s,
    " writing-alphabet-letters ",
    o n, " one-page ", ,,
    /( instead, o f,
    ,," drawing-the-picture-o n-a canvas " ,, ),,
    ,,
    ,,/( putting- lines, i n t o, " alphabet -l i n e- quant-packages ",,
    i s, J U S T; ,, L i k e,,
    ,," first-M o D E R N- impressionists ",,
    ,,a s, they-w e r e- making- punchs-on the painting,
    a s, " brush-strokes ",,
    ,,and, every-painting-they did, w e r e, ,,
    like a , " ONE-PAGE-WRiTiNG ",, also..
    /( every-strokes-of-brush, w e r e, working-like- alphabet-letters ..),,
    ,,
    W H E N- I WRiTE, every-s t r o k e-of, my, " modern-b r u s h ", into,,
    ,a ONE-PAGE-4-Sided, Writing, , I am, separating- , " this-stroke-process,"
    a way, from, painting, ,, for that to happen-
    o u t side, of, Painting,
    /( so, I am-passing-MODERNism-by-that-
    ,,Contemporary-making-alphabet-letter,,),,STEP,,
    /( the-PASE-o f-MODERNism),,
    and then, I PAiNT, with, A, SLiDiNG,-SPATULA,,
    and can ADD-VELOCiTY, to, t h e-painting,
    so, " W i S e-technology-can,divide,, PAiNTiNG,
    i n t o, 4- i m a g e s ..
    ,,
    so, making-speed,with-PAiNT; with a , " SPATULA-CAR ",
    is, necessary- -for , t h e " TALENT-o f-W i s e ", /(or intelligence ),,
    T O- T A K E-part, in, the , ARTWORK,,
    and, that, i s, " CONTEMPORARY ", also ..

    ,," one-page-4-Writing " ;WORK, -is-a , " contemporary-making " -step,
    to a painter..a n d, A, Painting..
    /( so there, i s, not-a-" painting-style- ,, " CONTEMPORARY-PAiNTiNg ",,
    b u t,, you, a r e, to, a d d, " Contemporarianism ",
    to, t h e, PAiNTiNG- WORK ..
    ,,
    ,,so w e, w e r e, in,
    a r t-H i s t o r y- fields, o f,,
    " naked-talent- establishment ", F O R M A T- t h e- ART- REAL-H i s t o r y ..
    ,, n o t;
    " story-of-art ", an architecture's, mennual-to-fine-artists..
    ,,
    " H i s t o r y-,i s, a Science, i n, fact..
    ,,so , i f, you can, n o t, add, Modern-science, a s, a step-maker,,
    ,,then, i t, becomes, ,, " art-STORY ",
    b y- ART-of-ARCHiTECTUE-maker' s , Fine-art-MAKiNG-STORiES,, "
    " NOT-ART-HiSTORY "
    , a s,
    time , g o e s, b y..
    ..



    1 hour ago
  • Marika Herskovic PhD
    Murat, if you were to put that in 10 short sentences, what would it say?
    I just have no time or patience to read all of the above.
    59 minutes ago
  • Marika Herskovic PhD
    G'Day Titus, I don't even try.
    55 minutes ago
  • Marika Herskovic PhD
    I am amazed with your patience, Titus! :-)
    52 minutes ago
  • Marika Herskovic PhD
    worth a try tho ts called notWINNING doing wot u can do well n enjoying yourLIFE
    52 minutes ago
  • Marika Herskovic PhD
    all yours!!
    50 minutes ago
  • Marika Herskovic PhD
    ,o.k, you lazy-f -UCK-e r s ,,
    ,,
    , it seems, all o f, you are, " Painters " ,
    DROPPED-i n to- P A i N T- o n e s,,
    , so, you can, n o t, b a r e,,
    " M U C H- ALPHABET-T O R T U R E " -
    as mu c h- a s- I CAN- B A R E ..
    ,,
    s o, TAKE-, U S E, this- V i d e o,
    to your, , " PAiNTED- E Y E s ", o n c e..
    ,,
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-hz195IyzQ
    ,, n o, ALPHABET- t h i s, T i m e..
    ,,
    " B U T- STiLL- Y O U- a r e- BOUNDED " ,,
    with- PAiNTiNG- as a writing-FORM- A l p h a b e t " ,, ..
    and y o u, a r e, to, define,
    " LETTERs-o f that, MODERN-Painting-
    * i m a g e , STRUCTURings ..

    ,,
    /( TiTus, I know- y o u, yourself-
    i s, " A - ALPHABET-Mathematics-Machine ",
    i n- you ..
    so , I canUNDERstand, your-complains ,,
    m o s t l y,
    and, I am, W i T H, you..,,
    ,,and I belive -your-eyes-are powerfull, to s e e,,
    " ALPHABET-of-A-PAiNTiNG-PAiNTED .. "
    ,,
    b u t, all , o t h e r s,
    do they , also, " carry-BiG-ALPHABEt-Machines ",
    i n, their, M i n d s, also..
    ,,and can, not , b a r e, ALPHABET,,
    a s, you, are-to,i make ..
    35 minutes ago
  • Marika Herskovic PhD
    Murat, 10 sentences, and make them short. Turn off CAPS, no dashes, put spaces between words.

    Just in case you want to have a conversation. If you want to listen to yourself, then continue doing what you are doing... I'm not going to read it, though...
    24 minutes ago
  • Marika Herskovic PhD
    Titus, I am, waiting- &Wiiling- for other-participants,, h e r e,, to, r e a d, and, u n d e r s t a n d,, my " point-of- w i e v " ,,
    /( you know-m e-a-long-T i m e ..) ..
    ,, a n d, you memorised, m e, also ..
    ,,
    ,and, g i v e, them, to," f i l t e r ", my, conversation, and, " d e e d s ", I am, expressing, here ..o n l y- undersynding- " M Y- LOOK- t h e - C O N C E P T " ,,, took-my-whole-l i f e.. I think, every-one -here, deserve, some-time, given, to, them, to, think-o n, the, CONCEPT, ,, I am, TELLing- h e r e,, i n, " QUiCK-START-M O D E " ..also ..
    i t is, not only-Alphabet-and-keybord-using-m o d e.. s o ..
    ,,i t s e e m s, " so-long ", but, let-m e, tell, you,, i t,is, more than, " o n e-book ", with 600, pages..
    ,,i n, t h e-fact ..
    ,,so I do not; /( and-will-n o t-),, " b l a m e ", any- o n e " , , h e r e ..
    because they can not read, " a f e w-pages ", ,, " b u t-a-very-compressed ", 600 pages ..
    i t s e e m s, L i k e, , i t, is, " a f e w-pages " ..
    10 minutes ago

  • ,o.k. Titus, only, ONE-, sentence, to, you ../( 4- YOU)..
    ,,
    " can any-one-divide-A-PiCTURE; to, " 4-i M A G E s, " , , and-spontaneously-&simultaneously-OCCURiNG-w h i l e, a -" P A i N T i N g "- W O R K .. 2- UNiQUE .. .. ?
    ,
    /( that-c a n, b e, THE-TOPiC' s- H E A D-L i n e )..

    ,,
    and A-LiNk..o n l y- ..with-nearly-500-ARTiCLEs,i I wrote, o n, A R T ..http://muratdanis.blogspot.com.tr/ ..
    as a second-sentence.. 
    1 second ago

  • " can anyone divide a picture to 4-images and spontaneously and simultaneously occurring while a paintingWORK to unique . " ?

    and : ..http://muratdanis.blogspot.com.tr/ ..
    1 second ago




  • Susanne, , I am not a " writer "..
    ,,
    to put-" meaning-onto-t h e-alphabet, so,
    someone- will-b e able-to-know ",
    ,,
    " some-thing " ; e a s i l y ..
    ,,
    ,,
    I am DRAWiNG, STiLL,and-dancing-and Painting,
    and-PLAYiNG-PiANO,, -*still-
    * n-any- performance,

    I will b e, i n ..
    ,,
    with-these, " expressions-and-EXPERiMENTs,,I make "..
    /( also, with-alphabet )
    ,,that, m e a n s,
    I can not, write, ; with that-lazy-ready-made-machine-words ..
    ,,
    I a m, to, " DANCE " -W i t h- these- E A S y-M A D E- LATTERs
    ,o f- the, computer- , MACHiNE-Lines..
    ,,
    n o t, to, loose-m y- " working-much-i n a performance " -quality ..
    /( that means, I am a writer, when, I write, with my hand-and draw-the-lines,of-t h e- alphabet,, with my hands.. also with my-inner-voice -binds-on alphabet-letter-lines, when ;I DRAW, with,
    m y-o w n-body-hands ..and it is maditation-of-alphabet-
    that takes, 1.5, hour, to write,, every-morning.. ).. ,

    ,,
    ,and ,,also the issue-o f-
    " art in writing " ; :

    ,,there are, to, b e- simultaneously-based,
    m u l t i, art-doings,, i n, " writing-performance "..
    ,,
    /( ART-is-defined-as, "t h e-UNiQUE-PerF O R M ance " ,
    TODAY,
    in contemporary-T i m e s.. )
    ,,
    /( and I can not loose, my UNiTED-T i m e, o f--performing,,
    and-reduce-my-self,
    to locate -one-art- ,,into
    the alphabeth ..
    ,,
    ,,W r i t i n g-Performance,,
    has to b e, with- " m u l t y.. ,a r t- disciplines " .. a l s o..
    ,,although,I am to make- , " W R i T i N G "
    " , a, Multi-discipline- PERFORM a n c e " ..
    ,,
    I do, not, know,
    " WHAT-WiLL-WALK-in-through " ,
    t h e- multi-made- w r i t i n g-o f-ART's ..
    ,,
    /( ART-W i L L, have to, WALK, i n, t h e " WRiTiNG-STREET " ,,a l s o ..
    and I am to , M A K E-that-
    " WRiTiNG- a -A R T-FREE-A C T-AUTOBAHN " ..

    /( -I do-not-know-what is there, , as art walks, and-acts, i n, my-writing,
    and, also, i n, m e, as, I will b e, i n- a-writing-performance ..))
    also.. 
    6 hours ago

  • Hi Tiina - and Murat,
    My point of view here - I will try to express how I make a distinction between our artistic way of expression -where we misinterpret or "walk past" unfamiliar methods of expression, (We are all guilty here) AND - the way we communicate while trying to make ourselves understood as precise as possible in verbal interaction in between us. = Conversation, which is another kind of communication than the artistic.

    ThisFORUM is an example of verbal interactive communication where we already have some problems with misunderstandings due to culture, different main languages and the lack of body language or ability to look into the eyes of the one we address. We have no access, for obvious reasons.

    I don't think anybody is trying to offend you Murat, but your way of communicating over the keyboard and your way of expressing thoughts in a way that is unfamiliar, is actually (as Titus explains) very difficult and frustrating and time consuming. We need to distinguish these two issues I think. Noone has made any offensive comments about your art-making Murat!

    Expressions in art is one thing and of great importance.
    Expressing thoughts in a conversation is a totally different issue.
    :-) 
    5 hours ago

  • , I am " some-how- ", glad, living, in a " mixed-mature-soil-of TURKEY ", ,, and somehow I ,worshiped-what-I could- h a v e- here,, /( a s there are-many-things-to have-i n- TURKEY, many-of-them-as-" BAD-SOiL " -, and-BAD-SEED e d.." ..
    ,,o n the other, I w a s, to hide, in, ,, my-self- ,because of the hostile-and- b a d-attitudes, ..
    ,, also, so, I have to, " go-into-every-thing " -&alphabet-and-paint-and-moves-and-SOUND; , ..
    mediums-o f-t h e- a r t ' s .. a country-that is made-o f, a r t-mediums .. )
    ,,
    so artist-c a n, not , h i d e, in, himself,
    i f, that, country-lives, in, social, freedom,
    that invites, people-to- b e- i n,
    OPEN- society-L i v i n g-under-the- s h i n i n g-sun,, ..
    /( sun shines, i nTurkey-brightly,
    b u t,i t, reminds the fire-of-Hell-to, the-people- h e r e..)
    ,,
    so I have isolated-and-sterilized, m y-body, and, doings, and, d e e d s,,
    ,,i n, " a r t- m e d i u m s ..
    /( a s I lived, under, a - bell-glass, o r, " a globe " ..
    o f, " a r t ' s- country ..
    ..
    ..can a " socialy-living-western-artist ",, , TOTALY-shut, him/herself, i n a ART-globe,,
    ,,and living-i n, i t, only ..
    I d o u b t ,, about-that .. b u t, they, still w a n t, to, b e,
    i n, an-a r t-Work- ,, hanged-on, their, ,,w al l ,,,,
    and , H i d e, themselves, i n, " a r t- caves " ..
    ,,also,, ..
    , " to extend-social-grounds "
    , " s e c u r e ly ", and, k e e p, " s t e r i l e " ..
    ..J U S T-Like, a r t- has to, begin-from a -sterile-h u m a n-body-first,
    o f, t h e-artist ' s,, ..
    ,,
    is W e s t e r n; ,, " painting-a r t " ,, , sterile ..
    /( also-true-socialism-and-true-work, c l e a n s- a r t )..
    /( I think-it-has been , badly-infacted,, b y-capitalism ..)
    ,,
    so only-w a y, was to, STERiLE, i t, b y,
    " TOTALY- SEPARATiNG, art, from, fine-a r t " ,
    and, ,, presenting-ART-a s- a- interior-Design, C o n s e p t "
    and , SCULPTURE i n g ..,,
    ,,
    ,, " a n -architecture- f i e l d, D o m a i n e d,
    ,, C O N C E P T, of, being- W i S e,, " , on, T H E- WORK,
    u n d e r- Capitalist-W i S E- TOWER- COMPANY- demands..
    o n l y..
    ..
    I think . 
    5 hours ago

  • ,,and, " SCULPTURE ", and PAiNTiNG, a r e, enemies,,
    ,, and SCULPTURE-and-3-dimentional-things-a r e,
    ,, enemy, to e a c h, other,
    a s, they, occupy-V o l u m e,,
    and, be obstacle- t o, o t h e r, M i n d s..
    ,,
    P E A C E; W i l l, only- come, with, 2-dimensional-art-painting,,
    and M a t u r e-capitalism- , will -demand-these, paintings-P i C T U R E s,
    w h e n, i t, Reaches,
    i t's, I D E A L- S i z e..
    ,,
    n o t e : NO-body knows, that, MUSLiM, prophet-MUHAMMED; begin, to, his, JOURNEY, o f, Religion-Writing, with, ,,
    ,, " b e i n g, the ENEMY; o f, the- " SCULPTUREs ", i n, " K A B B A "..
    ,,i n s t e d, i n, KURAN,, ;
    " ALLAH ", the- O N E-and-ONLY-ONE- BOSS " ,
    i s, being-" written ", and, PAiNTED, a s,,
    " 99-NAMES ", and, 99-Paintings-O N
    , " O N E " - ..
    ,,
    and , first-AUTHENTiC- CAPiTALism, has, been, established,
    in the city-o f, M E K K E ..
    /( and KABBA, w a s, their-SCULPTURE-Exposition, art-gallery, ..)
    ,,
    U S A; Companies, are imitating-to, b e-W i T H; M A N Y- " Capitalist-many-BOSSES ",
    to the -indiudually-based, , MODERN-Capitalism ..
    H i s t o r y- happens, very-strangely-indeed ..
    4 hours ago
  • Marika Herskovic PhD
    ,, I am a " wild-art-maker ", Susanne, not a comunicater.. writing-and-alphebet and letters, a r e, trying-to keep- m y- crazy-horse- o f-art-performing ..people-here has to accept, " I am-a-crazy-art-scientist ", and, making-some-a r t-experiments, h e r e,in a art-forum-also ..t h e r e, will b e, some " sparks", for, who, lookfor- t h em, in, my-writings, and, ideas.,, and there has to be somesparks, to, f i r e, n e w, conversations.., that's all ..https://soundcloud.com/scaramouch/conversation ..
    ,,
    b u t, I am open to any question ..that has to be count, a s, my-conversation-channel ..
    /(on the other-hand-I am-not a- socially-conversation- person,i n, L i f e, also ..)
    ,,I am to b e- crazy-for- defending-my-a r t, abilities .. and, keep them-wild, also .
    4 hours ago
  • Marika Herskovic PhD
    ,,so Sussanne is ready to be-in expresing-her-thoughts, and be social-under-the-sun-light-only, ,but still hiding- over-the-corner-of-the-street., i n mistery . art has to make-any-misteries, expressed, also..sun-light can b e,in art-also ..
    4 hours ago






  • I guess Tiina it is about the survival of unique art. Art made without focus on ANY market.
    17 hours ago
  • Marika Herskovic PhD
    A few thought's-

    Aren't you(the artist) ultimately what the work is about?
    One focuses on an aspect of ones capacity to create either the music, the painting, the dance, the text which is virtually an act/performance of transformation with oneself as subject..

    Art at times is a metaphor on life, and you can't separate, in my view, from your identity your beliefs about what that identity is..One learns something about oneself through each process of creating a work.
    Looking at a work itself is a very primitive experience, in that, after the initial impact of the work (generally in my view, a 'felt', 'sensory thing'!) we want to make sense of it, we look for information, hence the language (visual language) is to be such that it can describe the issues/concerns/story that the artist is communicating.

    In the developing of ones skills ,an indepth understanding of ones artFORM provides a good strong foundation to then explore other art forms....In my case it was initially the dance- integral to which was music, and then visual art forms which would work alongside/with the dance. It is a natural progression to learn other art forms in greater depth as one journey's on through life.



    14 hours ago
  • Marika Herskovic PhD
    @Tiina, I always dreamed of being a pop musician, really!
    10 hours ago
  • Marika Herskovic PhD
    Yes it i interesting Fiona - and following the topic, talking about being talented or multi-talented, I think many people born with this inner drive to explore the life through the arts , often find that there is a broad field rolled out as a red carpet. Lots of choises. Murat admits to believing he is multitalented and he has declared how he works himself through the different disciplines - he is experimental and "wild" and does not follow any main highway... You Fiona started with dance and choreography... Boudewijn tells the same story about recognizing broad talent and me - same story, already in school I had the spotlights on me when it came to writing - poetry or fiction - anything, and "drawing". Music as well... I was NOT appreciated for my skills in math. On the contrary, in those days when the teachers often did these things>... - I was often mocked and they took my math tests as hilarious examples and the whole class could have a great laugh.... like my skier who did 3 kilmeters per second... etc sigh. I dreamt myself through school, I dreamt of being an actris or a writer or a saxophonist... ;-)My parents however were against all artistic tdreams and pushed me in other directions with great force and often ridiculing my dreams in public. I wrote short stories and poems since very early age and never showed anything at home.I joined free acting theater groups beside school, my parent didnt know. I was in a band... it was like a secret life but without perspective.
    And here I am . The artistic drive is strong. I never doubted I was multi talented - success or not. Life is just unpredictable. What is important is that we keep on exploring what we once started - taking whatever direction. 
    10 hours ago
  • Marika Herskovic PhD
    u are not alone Boudewijn....
    10 hours ago
  • Marika Herskovic PhD
    What is the expression..."jack of all trades, master of none".....sometimes one has to choose one thing and run with it...

    Most often than not it is the extremely rare bird (renaissance person) that has many interests...and is equally accomplished (masterful) in all. What that means to me is that some things become logical extensions of where one started..and some things are better left alone....understanding that always takes a keen and critical eye in the department of honest self assessment vs self delusion.

    All I ever really wanted to be was an artist....a painter mostly....and be the best painter I could possibly be....
    And at the end of the day all I truly want - as Thoreau said - is to "live your (my) life, do your (my) work, then take your (my) hat"
    9 hours ago
  • Marika Herskovic PhD
    B. and Sussie....
    although I would love to be able to play the sax like Art Pepper!
    9 hours ago
  • Marika Herskovic PhD
    But that is my instrument Pam!!!. I am going to be a sax player in my next life as I dont have time in this one (and also thinking of my poor neighbours...) :-D
    9 hours ago
  • Marika Herskovic PhD
    Sax is sooo sexy!
    9 hours ago
  • Marika Herskovic PhD
    Sussie...
    sax....you got that right....amen sister!!!!!
    7 hours ago





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,,all woman are born-genious . / beause va-gina-is-an-art-instrument, directly- climbs-into, the brain. .if as a man-you-can-touch-all-of-your brain -like V-doues- , t h e n , to define that un-natural, non-object-,,situation, t h e y -say-genious-to, man ..
.o f course, if you are not-a woman- a naturally- " -born-artist- ",, with an instrument,, ;y  o  u  are to, w o r k, much , to carry-that "imagnary-V ",to a-  " concrite-object " /(but, still i n Vagina-Form),, located, in your brain .

..so art-needs, t o b e- worked-too, m u c h ..
,,/ and-if you are a woman-artist, i  t, is hallusunative, to, work, on " imaginative-V", also.
/( I am to w o r k-with my imagination, too much but when I make-that-Thing-substance--concrite,i n, my brain,, I can locate, it, just to the center-of-the-brain ..b u t, woman'sV, not always, carry-them,t o,the normal-c e n t e r- of the brain.

..about sax, and, s e x.for woman .. it has to be, a desire-to, correct-the-V-effect ../(or- homogenize- and organize the,symmetric -reach, /(fast- flow )to the brain. ..
,,
,i  n my- approach, I do not, consider, my self as agenious .
/( at least-it-is-some-defiation from public architects,and coming from outside ..)
,,I did not make-s e x, between,my-, 20 to-34, ages.. .. because I did not have a sister,/(but a mother very-near) I was-with a girl for two years,in first years o-f , university.. t h e n, I made my-mind- that, I would haveto make " my-imaginary-and-object' ive ", W O M A N, 
f  r o m, my- O W N- BODy..

,,so I ,put- SPORTs- /(it-is also, a symmetric-d a n c e , of, body and-soul,and-mind),,i n the place-of- S E X..and I w a s, practicing-8-hours a day, in basketball-field.. I was, like, the waiter, of, that-basketball-field, e v e n,in, winter../( because, there was-terror-in-ınivercity,I could not go, there ..)
,, S P O R T- m o s t l y, make your, body-&then-SOUL; and-every-thing, totally-SYMMETRiC ..
,,and for this, it ERASES; every-thing..and  m a k e s, you, starky, and d e s e r t-like- forsaken ..so that is, the " canvas-body ", to begin to write, a  r   t, words and, an origin-to-begin, to art-creations ..  .
,, S E X, is a sport-also .. /(b u t-for-a sport-maker, purely-sport ..)..but if you can not erase everything-with  " sport-eraser ", then, you begin to locate every-thing-and-creation, locates, into, s e x, making../(every-one,is artist-if-theyare-making-sex, ..if -not-sports, to,-erase-every-thing.. )/( i f you can not erase, things-that-as-they-begin-to locate-in- y o u, you begin-to-make-them-more fansy-with-social-conversations ..)..
,,
,so  S  E  X; i n, fact, i  s,  T H E- B A S i C, H i g h W  A  Y ..
..T  H  E  N- C O M E S, the TRUE-and-straight-E N H A N C E R,,
and EXTENDER, t h e- S O P O R T s..
,,
/( because, you can-detect-"   H U M A N- WAY-&SYMMETRY  "; -with-t w o-human-ORiGiNs ..much-precisely,, /(sport-is One-human-high-way)..
 ALSO-art-has to b e- P U T-in-S  E X- W  A  Y../( S E X-STREET )..
,,b   u  t,  t o, CORRECT;/(/MAKE-more-straight)  a  n  d,  ,, a  d   d- velocity-and- F L O W,
you are to, a   d  d,  " S P O R T s ", A S;to reach-  T  H  E-  A U T H O  B A H N,,- o f- the- a r t s ..
..
when come to delisuon ..i t occures-because of " erasings " ..b u t, delusion of man- gives, and opens ,e  m  p  t  y- a r e a s, for a  r  t- T H i N G s, to, E X T E N D .. it is some kind of,sacrifice , yourself- to open-e x c e s s, space to, a  r  t-things, to , m o v e.. of course, Public-people take that delusion as a mistake .. so if you are facing with " deluted - a r t i s t ", and deluted-a r t,, you are to-investigate, i f, that is being-made-for-  g e n u i  e, art-to, make-it's, mo v e s.. /( no-sacrrifice -no-genuine-art .. i f Cesus-Christ, w a s, not, the only-sacrificer ..determined ..)
,

,,every-personality-will b e, an other-HighWAY; O U T, o f, HUMAN; , to, many-different- c r e a t i o n s, creatures, and, ,B  E i n g s, as they can also,  "  a c t, o  n, E A R T H . " .,, for art-things , to b e-alive,also,on Earth ../( and man-or-woman will not b e-killed, for-they-are-not-like-art-things , b y, a  r  t- wonderers ..)




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..

Is it possible for an artist to survive only by talent alone?

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answer :
,,NO, it is not ..
because- " God-created-VA-gina ", -Holders   , 
,/( " artist-made-&named-as ARTiST "
,,-WOMEN ..), 
,, will claim-their-rights, ,  " a s, their-V-ag-in-a, ", is the " ONLY-t h e-TALENT =but-L e f t -ALONE- w h y ?", 
/( that, d e s e r v e s, to, M A K E; an a r t,- E  R A, ),, ,w e, w e r e, to, b e, living, 
i n, now..
,,a  s  they , g  e  t, their-payments-back-from, t h e-PUBLiC, for their-lonely-V ' s..-syndicate.. ..
,,



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my-solution : ...

,, "  on the other 4-HAND " ;
 I claim that art i s t, ,has to have 
"  4-Pairs-of-H A N D s  " , 
and,, 
"  4-BASiC-Talents " ,
 /(instead-of-V a gina' s 
-THE-ONLY-HOLLY-O N E " 
talent..),, ..
,,
, " m u l t i-talented  " -man-artist " ; 

i  s, the- o n l y,  " can survive- i n " , that , 
" EXTENDED-W O M A N 
 - named- A R T  "  ..
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,"  a  s  survival-in-art, achived ",,
-then-comes, 
..  "  any-e v e r y-survival  " ..4-s u r e.
on EARTH-&WORLD ..
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n  o  t  e  :


,, " m y- ENLARGENED- B O D Y ",  i   s, not,  m y- e g o .

/( it is NORMAL-for a SEX, maker,WOMAN- C  A  N- N  O  T;  understand, my-L A R G E-F  E-male-Body,,, b u t, I am- M A L E-Deer.  .. . and that LARGENED-body , o f, mine is not-THREAD_ t o, y  o  u  r-WOMAN-BODy-enlargements..)

,,"  e  g  o-holders-are- questioning-my- e g o ", also, with their- e g o-potentials  ".. a n d, with t h e i r- L A R G E-WOMEN-BODiES,,
and, a  s I can, " E N L A R G E-my- B O D Y ", they, a r e, desperate..
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,, " m y- ENLARGENED- B O D Y ",  i   s, not,  m y- e g o .
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/( it is NORMAL-for a SEX, maker,WOMAN- C  A  N- N  O  T;  understand, my-L A R G E-F  E-male-Body,,, b u t, I am- M A L E -D e e R,,.. . and that LARGENED-body , o f, mine is not-THREAD_ t o, y  o  u  r-WOMAN-BODy-enlargements..)

,,"  e  g  o-holders-are- questioning-my- e g o ", also, with their- e g o-potentials  ".. a n d, with t h e i r- L A R G E-WOMEN-BODiES,,
and, a  s I can, " E N L A R G E-my- B O D Y ", they, a r e, desperate..
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