16 Ocak 2014 Perşembe

1. ...H A S art lost; IT's Humanity ..

H  A  S art lost; IT's Humanity ..

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http://iheu.org/content/amsterdam-declaration-2002
M O D E R N, HUMANism, declaraTi O N..





1980      29X18 cm Oilcolor; On Cavas  Made by : Murat  Danis..














" beauty is a side effect of the structure " said,T i t u s.
..to extend some. if there are too many structures; being expressed; (in art DOing ) then how should they be, in a -system- o r in a SYMmetry -when still going on to operate- .. ..( I think, there occures; the aesthetics , as " a basic mixed platform " ; establishes from the free crash of these structures.. ) (when aesthetics -the science of beauty- begin ; to occur, ;then, ; ; there begins the float; -or happen- , o f the " beauty " ..

...I could call " beauty " , a SYSTEM, ( Like an ANGEL,,) that came ON, to that crash of ongoing SYSTEMs. .." that crash intersection " becomes, the " main force " ; to float; ( to carry ) all these " ships " that crashed; and there has occured holes; i n their " bodies "

..SO; i f there has been " beauty " occurance, in a multi-structure system -on going- , then, I can say, there has came an " ANGEL " ; to float, all these striking systems, still with the system o f the" God's " Path..

ART is an other kind of FORCE; I admit. ART establishes; the lack of structures; -or absence of beauty..Art goes with, abstractions, that obtains silent moves of space; or time..these absolute Volumes, ( making things absolute and absurd should obtain that VAKUM; and " a Mirror effect " , that will lead, t h e w a y; With that ; " every thing that are; moving onward.." )

S O; I can say, beauty is a socialist " side effect " that happens in multi working systems; and ART; DOES, the SAME; effect, but using -or MAKiNG- a " VAKUM " o f Things, and Systems, or structures.. to f i n d OUT; where all these things G O; t o . ( the WAY ..things are MOViNg o n ..-and also space, dimensions, mass, e.c.t too ..)
ART is a contra a c t .. I guess..

..this is like " white and " black, differance, too ..White-L i g h t; has to be carrying " beauty " -ANGEL;-THiNG.. (So i f Light wears the colors and collect them on the way of Light, again, then there l i e s ; beauty, o n g o i n g, in the Flow..
B L A C K; is, the ABSOLUTE-VOLUME; -or VACUM-, where darkness happens..(NoTHiNG; can be, i n it..and if something has been forced to be in there, ,it reflects; that thing; O U T; -and that is the magic and FORCE; o f the ART ..
...but that still has the Value, about how THiNGs act -or what is the nature of Things- ..

..both " light &ABSOLUTE Darkness " ; are Alike, ,when investigating, the NATURE; o f the T H i N G s .. ( this is a speculation, ı can imagine , for NOW.. )

" beauty is a side effect of the structure " said,T i t u s.
..to extend some. if there are too many structures; being expressed; (in art DOing ) then how should they be, in a -system- o r in a SYMmetry   -when still going on to operate- .. ..( I think, there occures; the aesthetics , as " a basic mixed platform " ; establishes from the free crash of these structures.. ) (when aesthetics -the science of beauty-   begin ; to occur, ;then, ; ;   there begins the float; -or happen- , o f the " beauty " ..

...I could call " beauty " , a SYSTEM, ( Like an ANGEL,,) that came ON, to that crash of ongoing SYSTEMs.  .." that crash intersection " becomes, the "  main force  " ; to float; ( to carry ) all these " ships " that crashed; and there has occured holes; i n their " bodies " 

..SO; i f there has been " beauty " occurance, in a multi-structure system -on going- , then, I can say, there has came an " ANGEL " ; to float, all these striking systems, still with the system o f the" God's " Path..

ART is an other kind of FORCE; I admit. ART establishes; the lack of structures; -or absence of beauty..Art goes with, abstractions, that obtains silent moves of space; or time..these absolute Volumes, ( making things absolute and absurd should obtain that VAKUM; and "  a Mirror effect " , that will lead, t h e  w a y; With that ; " every thing that are; moving onward.."  )

S O; I can say, beauty is a socialist " side effect " that happens in multi working systems; and ART; DOES, the SAME; effect, but using -or MAKiNG-  a " VAKUM " o f Things, and Systems, or structures..  to  f i n d  OUT; where all these things G O;  t o .  ( the WAY ..things are MOViNg  o n ..-and also space, dimensions, mass, e.c.t too ..)
ART is a contra a c t .. I guess..

..this is like " white and " black, differance, too ..White-L i g h t; has to be carrying " beauty " -ANGEL;-THiNG..   (So i f Light wears the colors and collect them on the way of Light, again, then there l i e s ; beauty, o n g o i n g, in the Flow..
B L A C K; is, the ABSOLUTE-VOLUME; -or VACUM-, where darkness happens..(NoTHiNG; can be, i n it..and if something has been forced to be in there, ,it reflects; that thing; O U T; -and that is the magic and FORCE; o f the ART ..
...but that still has the Value, about how THiNGs act -or what is the nature of Things-  ..

..both " light &ABSOLUTE Darkness " ; are Alike, ,when investigating, the NATURE; o f  the T H i N G s .. ( this is a speculation, ı can imagine , for NOW.. )









Has art lost connection with humanity? Has art lost its way? Does it answer our innermost human needs? Is the disconnect too great or...










___-h  a s    to;  b  e;  R E A D;   ; from  ; "  bottom  to theTOP " ; d u e to the writing  _______________________________________________________________________

8.February 2014 (that is to  continue i n 2. ...HAS ART LOST it's H U M A N i t y  )...



Eden; I have read U'r Last post..about Marcel Duchamp's  " Broken-Glass " . but now I can not find it, to take;  (   re:   )

..S  O,   ; I prepared; a " chapter  " ; 4 it ..
(because I think, I have some words to speak, a b o u t ..)

WHEn, GLASS i s    ;  "  B R O K E N  " ..L  i  N   E   S ..:

I w a s; a " WiNDOW-GLASS;   BROKER  " ;  , w h e n ; I  w a s  a K i d..
W i t h ; SNOW-BALL, foot ball,  ,or  when I am angry; slaMing the DOOR;   -with a glass on- , e.c.t.
..I  c o u l d , draw MY-B O D y; ; w h e n I broke glass with,   W h o l e;of  my BODy-act..

... ( b u t ,I was to pay, the price of the; broken-glass.. )
S  O; I  WAS T O;  "  brake-MY; Mind's-GLASS;  " ;
I  m u s t have thought; and read; that SO..
A   R E A L-Mind-GLASS-B r o k e r , I  w a s ; 2 , BE.

...w h e n Glass;  "  b  e ; broken  " ; ; Lines; GO very fast, and it i s the fastest; " drawing " I have  e v e r ,  s e e n.. (SO, m i n  d; has to b e; Broken, TO; obtein these, L i n e s..in the M i n d ..  ) (I am kidding, s o m e )


L a t e r  ON; ,I met with , MARCEL DUCHAMP' s;  ; " BROKEN-GLASS  "; WORK..

M O D E R N; PAiNTing;  h  a  s   t o  b e;  BASED ;  O N; ; Broken-glass-L i k e; L i n e s ; I have , thought.. (I guess i t w a s;  ,S O .. )

S  O; " I BROKE M Y;- M  i  N  D;  a s i f ;  IT WAS A  " Whole-G L A S S  " ..
.. a  n  d  w h e n;  U can " B R A K E "    U'r  M   i   n   D;
.. T h e; " cracs " ;  appear; , "  the cracs i n the M i n d  " ; appears and O C CU R E S;  a  s ;  M  i  N   Ds-Original-S H E M A  s ..
( SO they TOLD; I w a s the one; "  who SOLD-theBrain  " ..)  ..(L i k e ,the man who sold the World-David-Bowie.. )

...and these ;  b  a s  i  c ; "  Mind-Shemas " ( brake the Mind, and it will b e broken; a s Mind-shemas o f it's  o w n )   a r e ; t h e  " FUNDEMENTAL BASES; "  o f  the;  MODERN;  PAiNTing;   t h e n ..  w  h  e  n  U ; begin;  " t h e  PAiNT  J O B " .. ( these l i n e s, will divide; the Story to 4 parts..(on 4 sides.. )
..o  r we can say; there a r e ; 4-cars; that; crash; simultaneously..(that is a M i n d-brake process; is,  l  i k e .. )
( ..by the way I never Used; any drugs; to brake the m i n d..All natural ways, and all natural-braking-Works; o n Things..)


https://www.facebook.com/moddanis/media_set?set=a.10202017997064644.1073741837.1027582449&type=3












http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CY29JlyAH7c

....one -o f ; MY; TOP-10; V i d e O s.

..HANDs a r e ; T i n y,  b u t ; " H u m a n Hands " , a r e these;  .. t h o u g h ..
..." Tiny; H  a  n  d  MADE  " ;  a r t .. (that is art , only flows; intrough-Hands;
both ways ; i s 4 the E A R T h y-art-hearing.. ..in some artists , HUMANity Flows through t h e " MEGA;  DiAMATER " o f the ; BRAin..when PLAYiNG) ..
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Murat Oktay Danış
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Ireana,

1. years ago; I had to write;100's of comments; to that You-Tube v i d e o..

..b e c a u s e, they attaced, o n ME;
the reason WAS; " I had said; " SHE i s, Playing ;With her, " c l i t o r i s " ..
.. " s o NO; man c a n; " catch "; , that, p l a y i n g-velocity.. "
..SO; she is an excellent ; ARTiST.. (and a very contemporary O N E ..)
...... w i t h ; " A THing " ; on t h e; " E D G E " of her; F i n g e r Tips.."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcsRl_LIJHA

MARTA-ARGERich; , i s a RARE; Thing 2 m e.S i n c e ,then..

..Like Tracey-Emin; with her b e d; (an what she does as art MAKEings; during her sleep ), Martha; i s a Contemporary artist; t o me; too; Using her " clitoris-Thing " ; and perForm i t; with ; the BRAVE.. ( some say; women can not MAKE art.. though ,still..)

..I L i k e; HER; Musicality, especially, too..

..as Guitarists; I Like; MASTERs..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CY29JlyAH7c
and say (LUTE)..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tplvhEQPfbk




























Ireana,

10 years ago; I had to write;100's of comments; to that You-Tube v i d e o..
..b e c a u  s e, they attaced, o n ME;
the reason WAS; " I had said;  " SHE i s, Playing ;With her, " c l i t o r i s " ..
..  "  s  o  NO; man c a n; " catch ";  , that, p l a y i n g-velocity..  "
..SO; she is an excellent ; ARTiST.. (and a very contemporary O N E ..)
......  w  i  t  h  ;  " A  THing " ; on t h e; " E D G E " of her; F i n g e r Tips.."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcsRl_LIJHA

MARTA-ARGERich; , i s a RARE; Thing 2 m  e.S i n c e ,then..

..Like Tracey-Emin; with her b e d; (an what she does as art MAKEings; during her sleep ), Martha; i s a Contemporary artist; t  o  me; too;  Using her " clitoris-Thing " ; and perForm i t; with ; the BRAVE..  ( some say; women can not MAKE art.. though ,still..)

..I L i k e;  HER; Musicality, especially, too..

..as Guitarists; I Like; MASTERs..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CY29JlyAH7c
and say
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tplvhEQPfbk








Murat Oktay Danış
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..that i s ;

* ; " a CONTEMPORARy;(perfect) , H A N D s; " ,(a machine) ,

.... that M A K E s; Chopin's SCHERZO 3 ..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ounM2MnuC7Y
( h e is; M A K E ing, art..-SO; his act is;contemporary..in fact..but traditional-contemporary..)


* ..t h e s e , are " HUMAN (i n c l u d i n g); iN; H A N D s " ..

..and even; " these A l i e n e t e d-premature -HUmAN-creatures " a r e living ,i n t h e s e ; hand s; t o ; FLOW; ,i nto art-mediums; where MAKEs; has to b e ; balanced; i n Human-b a s e d DOings..

http://www.artslant.com/lon/articles/show/31115
____________________________________________________
1. Kinds o f HANDs..

of course; there are " creatures -that flow into the sound-; w h e n IVO Pogorelich PLAYs..PianO.. , but also, there is that; machine o f (Learnt)Piano;(and learned MusiC) and the Machine o f THE; being-CHOPiN..too..flowing in his Hands..flowing into sound medium;and poured; into, t h e EAR o f the human-being..t h e n.

..i n My Hands; I only want to; " MAKE;-transparent " ; WHAT; a r e , present as " premature-HUMAN-THing " ; i n, MY-Hands, and that Does not include ; " machinery;i n " .. (if the machine of hand-made of bones-; does not count..)

________________
.. " .as HUMANity ;acting-WRiNKLEs " ; " l i e " , i n my; HANDs..

Just Like; the " TRACEY EMiN's BED; and QUiLT- Wrinkles, " ..

(because she has an original " flesh- Wrinkle " " between her l e g s " ; that M A K E s; these; " wrinkles " ;occur ) .. to (on &i n) , t h e CANVAS..(of theBED)
( that i s a Contemporary-L i k e ; MAKing; k i n d ..i n to Canvas )
.(.and J.pollock has dripped, t h e paint..as a MAKE ing; method.. to contemporary his work to; ATOM-orbitals.. but then named as; abstract-expressionist..)

M A D E ; " WRiNKLEs O N a Canvas " (on a Quilt)
..( i n 8 hours o f " a sleepingly-art-session " ; b y " hugging " a non-Human-a Thing-Quilt ..and there o c c u r e s Wrinkles; ; i n this; MAK i n g s .. -of a FEMALE; HUMAN-CAN-D O-art-STYLE.. ..)
.....( non-Human; eXistance carry us to the contemporary-acting-Lands; where; " other-Side-Things " ; a c t ..(but these " eXternal-actings " ; need to be " OBJECTs -of contemporary-arting- ; ; too, 2 b e; r e a l in the PUBLic..for the liberalization of the democracy..) and these acts ,d e s e r v e; be represeted a s " objects " o f the " contemporary-art" ..a n d ; THE-PUBLİc.

_____________
..W E, are, M A K İ N G; , " black WRiNKLEs " ,t o o,
( as Contemporary-acts witih in " ALPHABETh;-M A K E ings " " LETTERs " .. .. )
o n these electronic sheets; i n hours o f our time; " huging our , Klaviers "(keyboards) -and computers- as canvas es.. ..

_________
TRACEy Emin's BED; , is to give attention; to a Quilt;(a THiNG) ; as i t had " traces " o f an OTHER-Side; T H i N G..(Humanitive-or-not) .. (instead of WHO WAS ;in her-Flesh; Last Night.. that wouldn't b e art; -butmagazine-

.. s o, art has to present; unvisable; " THiNGs " ;(asCONTEMPOrary-art-MADE-Things) other than;" flesh-Human "; or " nature-itself "..

..contemporary art; is not eaisy to READ..(SO;DOES, t h e " art-Thing " i s..) ..(or art-itself) (or Does art need to b e ,eaisy to read )
.. SO; with; contemporary- a c t ; ; (when flesh-is out;o f art) ; then READing can b e more, practical..and regularly, c l e a r ..( to the RATiO-Holders)

.." m e a n i n g " will b e more REAL;t h e n, though..(no flesh mixed,in i t..or creatures; that flow ,with the Humanity) ..


















































































..that i s ;

1- ; "  a CONTEMPORARy;(perfect) , H A N D s; "    ,(a machine) ,
.... that M A K E s; Chopin's SCHERZO 3 ..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ounM2MnuC7Y
( h e is;  M A K E  ing, art..-SO; his act is;contemporary..in fact..but traditional-contemporary..)


2- ..t h e s e , are " HUMAN (i n c l u d i n g); iN;  H  A  N  D  s  "  ..

..and even; " these A l i e n e t e d-premature -HUmAN-creatures " a r e living ,i n t h e s e ; hand s; t  o ;  FLOW; ,i nto art-mediums; where MAKEs; has to b e ; balanced; i n Human-b a s e d DOings..

http://www.artslant.com/lon/articles/show/31115
____________________________________________________
2 Kinds o f HANDs..
 of course; there are " creatures  -that flow into the sound-; w h e n  IVO Pogorelich PLAYs..PianO.. , but also,  there is that; machine o f (Learnt)Piano;(and learned MusiC)  and the Machine o f THE; being-CHOPiN..too..flowing in his Hands..flowing into sound medium;and poured; into, t h e EAR o f the human-being..t h e n.

..i n My Hands; I only want to;  "  MAKE;-transparent  " ; WHAT; a r e , present as " premature-HUMAN-THing " ; i  n, MY-Hands, and that Does not include ; " machinery;i n " .. (if the machine of hand-made of bones-; does not count..)

________________
..  " .as HUMANity ;acting-WRiNKLEs "  ;  " l i e   "  , i n my; HANDs..

Just Like; the " TRACEY EMiN's BED; and QUiLT-  Wrinkles,   "   ..

(because she has an original " flesh- Wrinkle " "  between her l e g s "  ; that M A K E s; these; " wrinkles "  ;occur ) .. to (on &i n) , t h e  CANVAS..(of theBED)
( that i s a Contemporary-L i k e ; MAKing; k i n d ..i n to Canvas )
.(.and J.pollock has dripped, t h e paint..as a MAKE ing; method.. to contemporary his work to;  ATOM-orbitals.. but then named as; abstract-expressionist..)

M A D E ;  " WRiNKLEs O N a Canvas " (on a Quilt)
..( i n 8 hours o f   " a sleepingly-art-session  " ; b y " hugging " a non-Human-a Thing-Quilt ..and there o c c u r e s Wrinkles; ; i   n  this; MAK i n g  s ..   -of a FEMALE; HUMAN-CAN-D O-art-STYLE.. ..)
.....( non-Human; eXistance carry us to the contemporary-acting-Lands; where; " other-Side-Things " ;  a  c t ..(but these " eXternal-actings "  ; need to be " OBJECTs   -of contemporary-arting-   ;   ; too, 2 b e; r e a l in the PUBLic..for the liberalization of the democracy..)    and these acts ,d e s e r v e; be represeted a s " objects " o f the " contemporary-art" ..a n d ; THE-PUBLİc.

_____________
..W  E, are, M A K İ N G; , " black WRiNKLEs " ,t o o,
 ( as Contemporary-acts witih in "   ALPHABETh;-M A K E ings  " " LETTERs " .. .. )
 o n these electronic sheets; i n hours o f our time; " huging our , Klaviers "(keyboards)  -and  computers- as canvas es.. ..

_________
TRACEy Emin's BED; , is to give attention; to a Quilt;(a THiNG) ; as i t had " traces " o f an OTHER-Side; T H i N G..(Humanitive-or-not) .. (instead of WHO WAS ;in her-Flesh; Last Night.. that wouldn't b e art; -butmagazine-

.. s  o, art has to present; unvisable;  " THiNGs " ;(asCONTEMPOrary-art-MADE-Things) other than;" flesh-Human  "; or "  nature-itself  "..

..contemporary art; is not eaisy to READ..(SO;DOES, t h e " art-Thing " i s..) ..(or art-itself) (or Does art need to b e ,eaisy to read )
.. SO; with; contemporary- a c t ; ; (when flesh-is out;o f art) ;  then READing can b e more, practical..and regularly, c l e a r ..( to the RATiO-Holders)

.." m e a n i n g "  will b e more REAL;t h e n, though..(no flesh mixed,in i t..or creatures; that flow ,with the Humanity) ..




  • Murat Oktay Danış
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    There A R E ; many kind of " THiNGs "; (in ART ) (and i n the WORLD, too )..
    ...and t h e y " M A K E " ;(and have rights to do ,any-Thing; they w a n t ) .. anyThing-T h e y -L i K E ..


    ( as i n " WHAT; contemporary İS " ; and i n, " contemporary art " ,too..

    ( OTHER WORLs; -althoough; they are not in the World; as " objects "- ; t h e y are in WiTH,in U S; and; they have rights; t o b e; " OBJECTs " in the WORLD; &
    ..that will give Liberation to every individual-RATiO; too,, (in the regular basis.. ) )

    i f someONE; i s ; " Ignorant , arrogant " ; then; DO; w e have " right " to; " change " o r; ," correct " his/her behaviour..( i f ,answer is YES.. then we say ;" RiGHT ist " ; to classify them, i n my country )

    .. i n FACT; ,Titus acts L i k e; " an OBJECT " ; and represents; " OBJECT-TALKiNG; R i g h t s " ; i n this; F O R U M.. ( and he declared that; in many cases..that he acts Like , " a THiNG " ..and has the right; to Talk; i n (from) any-THiNG.. & Things has to have " TALKiNG rights " , too; i f w e are to H a v e ; OURs.. -asHumans- )
    .......
    ..( that is a contemporary W A Y; of ; claiming; " TALKiNG rights; " ; in thePUBLic.
    ( if THiNGs CAN TALK; t h e n ; , H u m a n c a n; TALK; " any ThiNG " ..though..)

    ..".CONTEMPORARY;" ; reJects; " traditional-kind-of-NESTED-relationships " .. i t is a CONTRA; A C T; ; and it Stands-NEAR; HUMANity..(contrary-but near..)
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    ..i f I am acting; L i k e ; " an unknown OBJECT " ;(delibrerately) then, is it fare to judge m e; as I was " a crude; and r u d e, a ,h u m a n " ..


    ..i n fact; i f I am touchy; (that day) ,and an " OBJECT " ; crushes; i n ; m e..I am to Turn my BACK; imidiately; to save my; front S i d e ; f r a g i l e; organs..f i r s t ..
    .... " a t ; L E A S T ; I have to BE; ABLE; t o " M A K E "; that M o v e ..
    " M A K E " _______is the; " k e y " Word; 4 ,being Contemporary.. (IThink)

    (if somthing can MAKE; m e something;(that I Do; not want to b e ) , then I am much away; from; m y-MAKE i n g s ..it is not realistic; to demand; " M A K E R s-s h o u l d-have 2-CHANGE "; ..-(MAKER; h a s the rights to M A K E;too.. U can not b e; against, MAKiNG)-..(DO not stand against any-thing. either.. step a few steps backward.. . -if U includeMAKE-&DOtogether i n U; ; then; WE don't need to stand against; anyThing) , -ideologiesHAStoD i e; with(if) contemporaryCOMES-.. )

    ...w E have to b e ; ABLE; " 2 MAKE " ..
    ..complaining from MAKings; say that U are not a MAKER; and U are not happy; with U'r MAKing-STATUS....this kind of relaxations (complaining); -&Lazy ness; should corrapt-Humanity-itself-too..(melt in other humanities;will corrapt humanity too..if U are to g e n e r a t e ; Humanity; then ;i t must b e; originated; to ONLy; o n e ; person..
    ..and art is a " one-man " ; d e e d ..( or a team-Work with a PLAY-MAKER)

    ..and I am to LEARN; imidiately; , to recognize m y, n e i g h boUrhood; more carefully..(my perceptions must b e more sharp.. though..) and
    B E; A B L E; 2 " M A K E " " m y , - M O V E s " , directed to; ; my " direction " o n l y ..
    S O; I may be an, " acting-artist " ; " i n a MOViE; " in my-MOVEs; and i n MY-MAKEs..
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  • Murat Oktay Danış
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    Stephan,

    http://www.fotocommunity.de/reise/documenta/11157


    ..that was a, very usefull, link..
    I stuck for 5 hours, " " save as diffe'rent " .." contemporary-photos " ..

    ..H A P P Y " M A K E " - ,MAKERs .. ( o f the WORLD' s ) ..

    ..photographers; has cought; the " MAKE s " ; i n the WORLD..
    ( un hope fully,-or hopefully-m a y BE) there are MANY-NEW- M A D E s; -hundreds being made every day;in the world- , and the Contemporary-MAKE s; , extend happens , in the World..

    ...p e o p l e can B E; " HAPPy " ; with only; " WHEN; t h e y;" c a n, " M A K E " ..
    that is the cheapest w a y, to bring " peace " t o; t h e EARTh; u s i n g; the materials o f the cultures..and things that earth; produce.. (or have al ready)

    * paralellities; work; with RATiO; and ; " RATiO; M A K E s" .."

    .2-.. " Contradictories; call that; " quick-wit " of the creation; and although; " p u r e - creating;of L i v e l y-Things " ; i s the Job; o f the GOD; o n l y .. (unfortunately ).. (and so creations has to be WORKED; -in art mediums-; , paralell; to the;Working in the unity; of the God' s " .. ( or God has to come i nto our;humaitive-HANDs; to ; flow into " p u r e l y-creative " art..)

    ..but contemporary goes with the MAKE; o f the; RATiO; o n l y ..






Stephan,


http://www.fotocommunity.de/reise/documenta/11157

..that was a very usefull, link..
I stuck for 5 hours, "  " save as diffe'rent " .." contemporary-photos " ..

..H  A  P  Y  " M A K E "   -   ,MAKERs ..   ( o  f  the WORLD' s ) ..

..photographers; has cought; the " MAKE s " ; i n the WORLD..
( un hope fully,-or hopefully-m a y BE)  there are MANY-NEW- M A D E s; -hundreds being made every day;in the world-  , and the Contemporary-MAKE s;  , extend in the World..

...p e o p l e  can  B E; " HAPPy " ;  with only; WHEN; t h e y;  "  M A K E  " ..
that is the cheapest w a y, to bring " piace "  t o; t h e EARTh; u s i n g; the materials o f the cultures..and things that earth; produce.. (or have already)

..." paralellities; work; with RATiO; and    ;  " RATiO;  M A K E s"   .."
... " Contradictories; call that; " quick-wit " of the creation; and creating; i s the Job; o f the GOD; o n l y .. (unfortunately ).. (and so creations has to be made, paralell; to the; God.. or God has to come i nto our; HANs; to ; flow into " creative " art..
..but contemporary goes with the MAKE; o f the; RATiO; o n l y ..







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There A R E ;  many kind of  "  THiNGs   "; (in ART ) (and i n the WORLD, too )..
...and  t h e y  " M A K E " ;(and have rights to do ,any-Thing; they w a n t ) .. anyThing-T h e y -L i K E ..


( as i n  "  WHAT;  contemporary  İS " ; and i n, " contemporary art " ,too..

( OTHER WORLs;   -althoough; they are not in the World; as " objects "-    ; t h e y are in WiTH,in U S; and; they have rights;  t o b e; "  OBJECTs " in the WORLD; &
..that will give Liberation to every individual-RATiO; too,, (in the regular basis.. )   )

i f someONE; i s  ; " Ignorant , arrogant " ; then; DO; w e have  " right " to; " change "  o r; ," correct " his/her behaviour..( i f  ,answer is YES.. then we say ;"  RiGHT ist " ; to classify them, i n my country )

.. i n FACT; ,Titus acts L i k e; " an OBJECT " ; and represents; " OBJECT-TALKiNG; R i g h t s " ; i n this;  F O R U M.. ( and he declared that; in many cases..that he acts Like , " a THiNG " ..and has  the right; to Talk; i n (from) any-THiNG..  & Things has to have " TALKiNG rights " , too; i f  w  e  are  to  H a v e ;  OURs.. -asHumans- )
.......
..( that is a contemporary W A Y; of ; claiming; " TALKiNG rights; " ; in  thePUBLic.
( if THiNGs CAN TALK; t  h  e  n ; , H u m a n   c a n;  TALK;  " any ThiNG "  ..though..)

..".CONTEMPORARY;"  ; reJects; "  traditional-kind-of-NESTED-relationships  " .. i t is a CONTRA; A  C  T; ; and it Stands-NEAR; HUMANity..(contrary-but near..)
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..i f I am acting; L i k e ; "  an unknown OBJECT  " ;(delibrerately) then, is it fare to judge m e; as I was   " a crude; and r u d e, a   ,h u m a n "  ..


..i n fact; i f I am touchy; (that day) ,and  an "  OBJECT  " ; crushes; i n ; m e..I am to Turn my BACK; imidiately; to save my; front S i d e ; f r a g i l e; organs..f  i r  s  t ..
....  "  a  t   ;  L E A S T ;  I  have to BE; ABLE;  t o   "   M    A   K   E  "; that M  o  v  e ..
" M A K E  " _______is the; "  k e y " Word; 4 ,being Contemporary.. (IThink)

(if somthing can MAKE; m e something;(that I Do; not want to b e )  , then I am much away; from; m y-MAKE i n g s ..it is not realistic; to demand;  "  M A K E R s-s h o u l d-have 2-CHANGE "; ..-(MAKER; h a s the rights to M A K E;too.. U can not b e; against, MAKiNG)-..(DO not stand against any-thing. either.. step a few steps backward.. .  -if U includeMAKE-&DOtogether i n U;  ; then; WE don't need to stand against; anyThing) ,   -ideologiesHAStoD i e; with(if) contemporaryCOMES-.. )

...w  E have to b e ; ABLE;  " 2 MAKE " ..
..complaining from MAKings; say that U are not a MAKER; and U are not happy; with U'r MAKing-STATUS....this kind of relaxations (complaining); -&Lazy ness; should corrapt-Humanity-itself-too..(melt in other humanities;will corrapt humanity too..if U are to g e n e r a t e ; Humanity; then ;i t must b e; originated; to ONLy; o n e ; person..
..and art is a "  one-man  " ; d e e d ..( or a team-Work with a PLAY-MAKER)

..and I am to  LEARN; imidiately; , to recognize m y, n e i g h boUrhood; more carefully..(my perceptions must b e more sharp.. though..)  and
B E;  A B L E; 2 " M A K E "     "  m   y  , -  M  O  V  E  s  " , directed to;  ; my " direction " o n l y ..
S  O; I may be   an, " acting-artist " ;   "  i  n  a MOViE; " in my-MOVEs; and i n MY-MAKEs..



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" TRACEY-EMiN- B E D " ; issue.. (as a contemporary art concept )

...we all sleep in our beds..S O, what if that is a b e d ; of Tracey E m i n.'s
..it is the " concept " I think; not the Tracey E m i n..

" WHO DO w e sleep W i t h " ..
A B e d ; i s a canvas that we; " h u g " ... all these fabrics g e t the " trace s " o f the; " partner " ; that w e slept with..( or something that sleept with u s, lst night )

i t is contemporary because; t h e r e was not anyone (in flesh and bones) t h e r e..

....QUiLT .. I was photographing m y; quilt ; every morning last year.. b e c a u s e ; T h e y; w e ; " personalities; " ; faces; and bodies; with i n ; the; " w r i n k l e s " ..
..they w e r e ; SO; D o m i n a n t; so I have to photograph, them ever morning..

..that B E D; o f Tracey Emin's i s not her ..i t say u s ; that w e sleep w i t h ; " other-S i d e " beings -or creatures; ; e v e r y night, ..and WE; can WATCH them, with the wrinkles o f the QUily; and ; sheet; and they are all; c a n v a s e s ; b u t;
with only; " w r i n k l e s " ..
..and wrinkels can draw; p i c t u r e s ; ..and MAKE; Sculptures..

..O N E; has to; , g e t message; to his/her OWN; W O R L D ..
..(whwn watchin porn, U have to think; that U were there..instead of that BODy.. b u t some will say; " I DO; not want to w a t c h; other Bodies.. "
D o n t U have any imagination; to p u t U'r self in the occesion..

..H e r e ; Tracey E m i n; is not special for, what she did..
.. w e have to discover; what happens; i n our; Q u i l t s; as w e MAKE; that quilts " w r i n k l e " ..
..and IT will b e quite interesting; i f U can ; READ; (imagination is needed for that too) ..W H A T; HAPPENED; l a s t night; and " WHAT WAS; i t " ..
" T H A T W A S; T H E R E .. "

..o f course; U wouldn't b e sharing U'r BED; with someone else.. to d e f i n e ; that THiNG; , " w i t h U " ..








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Irena,
..U'r point is, important when saying; " ı DO not want to know ;WHO, compositors w e r e.. " ..I agree.. their art is "the Thing " ; and , w e have to feed oursalves " freely from these sources..
I DO; not like even; the clips..I want to imagine the " figure " acting; in my M i n d ..when Listening..
..b u t, I think; I have feeded; m y self, well -e n o u g h .
..or some has passed, and I can look; at them; 4 what they w e r e..(and that can feed m e ,that time ) ..

I admire IVO Pogorelch..too..(as a youngster) the most..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IimaCataHDY&list=FLoclApcUHJH_NyOZI_kqZ8Q&feature=mh_lolzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PC0FrLlO5Ehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsdNFbVhDYchttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dbSgz-x5JE

and Alexandre Thataud . my choise..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJOBc2pj6Cg&list=PLFBC8326616397692














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...HUMAnity; G o e s ; with, " HANDs " ..(AND with the BALL) ; " O N W A R D " ..

" ON W A R D " ..in the ; a g e ; o f; ; " engines and MOTORs " ..
Hand-Ball; versus; SYLinder-&Piston..

.U have to b e paralell, t o the; nature o f L i f e..
S O; HUMANism has to b e ; CARRied; " ONWARD " ; with the HANDs; acting; O N WARD.. (if there are motors and engines; DOing their Job..around..Human has to practice what machines D O .. too.. because, they are in our; l i v e s..-no-underestimate; them-..)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GRDN0V-s70&feature=c4-overview&list=UUoclApcUHJH_NyOZI_kqZ8Q

..this video is not " ego " .. ; contrary;
ı am an " e n g i n e " ;(motor) there, (dedicated to BE-ONE ) ,,
with sylinder and pistons.. -b u t ; in Human VARSiON- ; pistons and Sylinders; change place; and position, continuously..

( that is; both ball and my; hand can b e both sylinders; o r pistons..and that is an eXtra; c h a n ce ; ; (in) o f being; Human- b e i n g;
, MORE; t h a n;b e ing JUST; " a Machine " .. )












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    ...when talking ON, H u m a n ism.." that Hamster "; may b e going o n ; on it's way; m o r e then; US; theManKind..

    ..it seems to m e , that; HUMAN; i t y, G oe s with, THE HANDs..

    ...but human hands can b e " slaved " too ; as U'r hands are; EMPLOYED..

    ..and there are m a n y, that Does not u s e their HANDs; -any-more- or they use fingers on the keyboards; O N L y.. ( and that may not b e, USing; hands..

    ...." ART; i s TOTAL "; " an a c t " ..and Contemporary i s, a-part..I Think.
    ( as far as " contemporary " can not b e; " formulated " very simply;
    there has to b e caos; & destruction; and disturbance.. )

    I h a v e a " FORMULA " ; 4 " Contemporary " ; to minimize; i t ..
    ... o t h e r wise; i t installes i n every thing and ; " corrupt " every THiNG..

    and Barry; may b e that is, " the POiNT " ; I should; C O M E 2. .
    ..( maybe Titus, ; would Like to depend on that " point " too; but as far as he has that quarel; with tradition; HE; migh; Like to stay; ON the " L i b e r a l -S i d e ; o f the CONTEMPORARianism " ..)

    ...I am an engineer; i n-HAND; so we always Like to Formulate; THiNGs; and situations..
    ..and what we need is a smooth; ; " solution " . ONLy..

    ..i f I can; " form ulize " that " contemporary " ; then; i t will b e an " A R T-d e c i p L i n e; again " ..

    and, it will b e ; ;-as art is- difficult again..(and there won't b e that; " L i b e r a t i ON; installed " ,i n art; MeDiUMs; , that; e a s Y. -I MADE i t..SO it happens..-)

    ( contemporary has to b e put; UNDER a decipline..-i f art is made of deciplines-..) ( Human can b e L i b e r a l; but does that bring; art can b e; liberal..too..

    ..and art Medium isn't a must for ;" L i b e r a t i o n; t o B E " ; on the Earth..

    ..art Medium; shouldn't b e; a Thing; that U can g e t in that; e a s y ..
    ..( a writer has to g e t into ; the Letters; a musician ; into the SOUND..e.c.t.but they say; They are g e t t i n g; i n every ordinary-THiNGs..)
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    ON THE CONTRARy :
    .. b u t it is better; i f U " EXPRESS o u t " ; the THiNGs; that; " U are i n " ;or THiNGs are i n U.. .. (and contemporarians MAKE; that ; eXpression of a THiNG..)..put it OUT; -that what is in U- ..(I am with Titus here)

    ...Humaniterians; Love the Things; -that are- in them; -and they are i n- ..( a Hidden;" lesbienism ";-nature loves nature-)

    I can; paint a home; ; -with Love- and; -caressing- i t;.. although I am too; inside that home..

    I can paint a cat; which already; L i v e s in me, , -and we bocome Hibrids- ; and w e Love to support Humanism-anonimus ly..

    .. b u t if I am an contemporary man; it wouldn't b e; enough to make an eXpression; (or mimessis) 4 me; t o draw that cat; ONLY..S O; I have to MAKE; a B i G MOVE; and I " freeze " that; CAT; (make it an " IRON cat " ); so it can not; make any-move any more; and; L e a k into m y; Body-Brain-and SOUL..or into my; M o v e s..

    ...I can create and, generate m y, HUMAN- (being) all by; myself..
    ( with all m y L a b o r, secular then any other, being and Live-Thing; and created, ,too..)

    -but there is an other humanism-idea; ; that; " we -or every Thing- ;has to b e " nest e d " ; i n each other;..to generete an overall-Humanism..)

    ... to b e Contemporary is to b e; " b r a v e " .. ( in fact )

    ..i f I can; " c a n " ; the " artist's SHiT " ; and ; NAME; i t, too ..that; means, I have eXpressed that THiNg; " OUT " ; o f m e; and; after NOW; I am r e a d y; to L e a v e; " WİTHOUT " i t. ( I can have it; in a can; but ; NO Longer; I shall " include " it; i n M E..)

    .. that i s an eXPRESSiON; (b y THiNGs).. (and no need to b e abstract-expression-either..)

    ..and an e x e cution. ..
    CONTEMPORARy; say; ; I have executed that THiNG; out o f; my Body.. (or I intend to MAKE;SO, that ; that is my decision; " and I want to see; if are U with; m e " ..so they are in the galleries..)

    ..o f course; that is not suitable to; " who wants to e a t anyThing on the Earth.. " ..
    i f GARBAGE; i s in the HUMAN; than, if U express these THiNGs OUT; then; it is a new born a Thing; from H u m a n-body;, and; , i t may b e NAMED as ART; because, i t may have some original-shapings; o f the HUMAN; , e i t h e r.
    (that will b e collected; i n the galery, not to b e; w a s t e d..humanity.. )

    ..ofcourse; i t will b e; better; i f; these garbage begs will b e in an understandable; (meaningly) order; (as Titus represented in a video) and in a modern; USE; so, they can take their place; around ; US; that can feed our; p u r e SOULs; who are in need with-Matter-sence.. (some can recognize; that o u r SOUL has to b e feeded; b y atomic-sences; too..not only with L i v e -Things..

    ( w e shouldn't b e slave to see Bird-Wings; -of created nature- ..I want to see, " nylon " waweing-wings; t o m e.)

    ..and I w a n t ; that; L i b e r a t i o n; to write " W A W E " instead of " Wave ";
    b y the m e a n s; o f these; NyLoN;-material, i n our L i v e s..

    ( that means , I can Love Nylon..atoms..as they make shapes..that m o v e.. )






...when talking ON, H u m a n ism.."  that Hamster   "; may b e going o n ; on it's way; m o r e then; US; theManKind..

..it seems to m e , that; HUMAN; i t y, G oe s with, THE HANDs..

...but human hands can b e " slaved " too ; as U'r hands are; EMPLOYED..

..and there are m a n y, that Does not u s e their HANDs; -any-more- or they use fingers on the keyboards; O N L y.. ( and that may not b e, USing; hands..

...." ART; i s  TOTAL "; "  an a c t  " ..and Contemporary i s, a-part..I Think.
( as far as " contemporary " can not b e; " formulated " very simply;
there has to b e caos; & destruction; and disturbance.. )

I  h a v e a " FORMULA " ; 4 " Contemporary " ; to minimize; i t  ..
... o t h e r wise; i t installes i n every thing and ; " corrupt " every THiNG..

and Barry; may b e that is, " the POiNT " ; I should;  C  O  M  E 2. .
..( maybe Titus,    ; would Like to depend on that " point " too; but as far as he has that quarel; with tradition; HE; migh; Like to stay; ON the " L i b e r a l -S i d e ; o f the CONTEMPORARianism " ..)

...I am an engineer; i n-HAND; so we always Like to Formulate; THiNGs; and situations..
..and what we need is a smooth; ; " solution " . ONLy..

..i f I can; " form ulize " that " contemporary " ; then; i t will b e an  "  A R T-d e c i p L i n e; again  " ..

 and, it will b e ;  ;-as art is-  difficult again..(and there won't b e that;  "  L i b e r a t i ON; installed "  ,i n art; MeDiUMs;  , that;  e a s Y. -I MADE i t..SO it happens..-)

( contemporary has to b e put; UNDER a decipline..-i f  art is made of deciplines-..) ( Human can b e L i b e r a l; but does that bring; art can b e; liberal..too..

..and art Medium isn't a must for   ;"  L i b e r a t i o n;  t o  B E " ; on the Earth..

..art Medium; shouldn't b e; a Thing; that U can g e t in that;  e a s y ..
..( a writer has to g e t into ; the Letters; a musician ; into the SOUND..e.c.t.but  they say; They are g e t t i n g; i n every ordinary-THiNGs..)

ON THE CONTRARy :
.. b u t it is better; i f U "  EXPRESS o u t  " ; the THiNGs; that; "  U are i n  " ;or THiNGs are i n U.. .. (and contemporarians MAKE; that ; eXpression of a THiNG..)..put it OUT;   -that what is in U-  ..(I am with Titus here)

...Humaniterians; Love the Things; -that are- in them; -and they are i n- ..( a Hidden;" lesbienism ";-nature loves nature-)

I can; paint a home; ; -with Love- and; -caressing- i t;.. although I am too; inside that home..

I can paint a cat; which already; L i v e s in me,  , -and we bocome Hibrids- ; and w e Love to  support Humanism-anonimus ly..

.. b  u t  if I am an contemporary man; it wouldn't b e; enough to make an eXpression; (or mimessis) 4 me;  t o draw that cat; ONLY..S O; I have to MAKE; a B i G  MOVE;  and  I " freeze "  that; CAT; (make it an " IRON  cat  " ); so it can not; make any-move any more; and; L e a k into m y; Body-Brain-and SOUL..or into my; M o v e s..

...I can create and, generate m y, HUMAN-  (being) all by; myself..
( with all m y L a b o r, secular then any other, being and Live-Thing; and created, ,too..)

-but there is an other humanism-idea; ; that; "  we  -or every Thing-   ;has to b  e  " nest e d "  ; i n each other;..to generete an overall-Humanism..)

... to b e Contemporary is to b e;  " b r a v e " .. ( in fact )

..i f I  can; " c a n " ;  the " artist's SHiT " ; and ; NAME; i t, too ..that; means, I have eXpressed that THiNg; "  OUT  " ; o f m e; and; after NOW; I am r e a d y; to  L e a v e;  " WİTHOUT " i  t.  ( I can have it; in a can; but ; NO Longer; I shall " include " it; i n  M E..)

.. that i s  an eXPRESSiON; (b y THiNGs).. (and no need to b e abstract-expression-either..)

..and an e x e cution. ..
CONTEMPORARy; say; ; I have executed that THiNG; out o f; my Body.. (or I intend to MAKE;SO,  that ; that is my decision;  "  and I want to see;  if are U with; m e " ..so they are in the galleries..)

..o f course; that is not suitable to;  " who wants to e a t anyThing on the Earth.. " ..
i  f  GARBAGE; i s in the HUMAN; than, if U express these THiNGs OUT; then; it is a new born a Thing; from H u m a n-body;, and; , i t may b e NAMED as ART; because, i t may have some original-shapings; o f  the  HUMAN; , e  i  t h e r.
(that will b e collected; i n the galery, not to b e; w a s t e d..humanity.. )

..ofcourse; i t will b e; better; i f; these garbage begs will b e in an understandable; (meaningly) order; (as Titus represented in a video) and in a modern; USE; so, they can take their place; around ; US; that can feed our; p u r e SOULs; who are  in need with-Matter-sence.. (some can recognize; that o u r SOUL has to b e feeded; b y atomic-sences; too..not only with L i v e -Things..

( w e shouldn't b e slave to see Bird-Wings; -of created nature- ..I want to see, " nylon " waweing-wings; t o m e.)

..and I w a n t ;  that; L i b e r a t i o n; to write " W A W E " instead of " Wave ";
b y the m e a n s;  o f  these;  NyLoN;-material, i n our L i v e s..

( that means , I can Love Nylon..atoms..as they make shapes..that m o v e.. )



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P i A N O; " T O U C H es "; " t h e HANDs " ..(not the reverse)..
(all L a b o r ;in the FACE; ,is 4; that.. )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8STlfXWKfVI






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.. " T i n y; Human; H A N D s " ; are g o o d; for, m e ..
...they are q u i c k , and more " c a t ch y " ..

.." the; B i G HAND " ; g o e s to; " T i t us " ; t h e n ..

..paralellHANDs; can overcome; BARRiers; I c a n; SAY.. (solutions to the barriers : -CO&inc-.)










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..that may b e " THE; Point " ; " m a y be.. I am the HAMster.. "

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fArkUsa6cCI&feature=c4-overview&list=UUoclApcUHJH_NyOZI_kqZ8Q







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..Mirors-Mirrors; ; " tell m e; who is the most b e a u t i f u l l, ON the e art h " ..
; m i r r o r; answerrs; ; " U are what U Talk; " ; to t h e FACEs " ..
..I am A Labor, ;that TALk; to my FACE; (or art's ; F A C E .. )

..couldn't say; " anything " , that can b e count, a s " a POiNT " .. i t seems..










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.." S O; U are; t h e r e " ..folks..I thought; I had to call; U..(or U were busy reading Writings )..i t is good; U could come back , t o ; " U'rselves " .and give a " SOUND " ...

..as SO; ; what is U'r point; o n the " Subject " ..(I would prefer if U should say; " anyThing " ; 2 ," what ı am i n" ).. Barry..

..and I am sure; U 'll b e " HOLDing these TiT-Heads " T i t us.. ( but U do not strech for " milk " ; either..much..L a b o r is forbidden 2 U. I know " t 'h a t " .. )









.. b e e eeeeeee en " O 'D A " şirketinde MODDANiS
Irena.. " child can not Create " ; art " . I Think..
( only; " art can b e ; created i n childish style " .. )

...there are childreen; playing Mozart; e.c.t. perfectly..
..and those OTHER; magnificent; a r t i s t s; ; they play; t h e same Mozart ..
( SO; there is a question..what is m o r e with these; ARTists, when they are playing Mozart.. )

..they say there is boy that can; M a k e; Watercolors and OilColors; better-than; " Brian Milard; D O E S .. " (by the way, I Like Brian's watercolors; there is a Light in them..and a proffession; o f course ...and a silent and a " stark-soul " ..i n them; like NZ.. )
..should I prefer that boy ; t o, Brian then, because, he is young ..
..it is art; ; i f U can ; m a k e it; ; " when U are not a Child..anymore.. " ...

...that boy is; still; looking at the world; and describing, " the THiNG " ..
..art i s to; d e f i n e, or; Create; or Look4&find; N e w ; THiNGs, that can stay; i n the e a r t h.. ( and from totally, n e w ; b i r t h s; -for NEW THings-, the way of the b i r TH; ,has to b e d e f i n e d; again .. .. )

...i f W E; G O back; t o ; " the MOZART " ..
... a n d ; ;....... " TO D O " versus; " 2 M A K E " .. i s s u e ..

..W E ; NEED a Strong " M A K E R " ; to go forward (progression); to t h e ; " contemporary; A r e a s " . ( TODAY )

...and a strong " D O e r " ; to go into, t h e nature ; o f the ; " THiNG " ..(a true and genuine-labor generator....)

..i n " MOZART case " ; the " poWerFull-M A K E R " F i g u r e ; i s, his Father..
..S O; Although that powerfull-Maker i s installed; i n h i m;(Mozart) ; Mozart; has to D O; every thing.. (he has to live his L i f e ,at least.. ) ( but father does not give permission to live his own L i f e )

..S O; MOZ ART; i s a DOer, i n F a c t ;(a pure D O e r ;his music is all h e D i D-and Lived); only, in his short; l i f e) , and there isa unvisable-MAKER; HiDDEN; i n him; ; TAKE-PLACE; i n his living s..

...T h e Brilliant; m u s i c; happens; S O..Mozart; a p u r e-worker-soul, that tries to live on that E a r t h; ; and; T h e " unvisable MAKER "(father) ; that PUSHes; Mozart and his L i f e ; into; " OTHER S i D E s " ; (that are DARK REALMs; o f the CONTEMPORARy..) (With the ;PUSH o f the M A K E r ) ..

i n Mozart M u s i C; , Mozart H a p p e n s;(occures-EXists); on the OTHER-Side;..
..( but as if that f l o w e r (Moz art) ; is blossoming ; i n the world)
.. ( can " contemporary a Thing " -made in the Other-side- ; ; b e earthy.. ) ( that shall recall existance o f the;God; only God can make a earthy-Thing, b e;L i v e ; on the OTHER-SiDE.realms..

..Mozart can; " W A L K " ;, , on the Other-side; as i f HE; L i v e s, here, and t h e r e....b o t h..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dkK1iw2SMk
W E can say; " This is Glory, o f the MAKEr; t o o ..(the father.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=df-eLzao63Ihttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48NwNnYiJwY
W H A T a " W A L K " ; -with t h e MAKEr-; to the SURFACE o f the " J U P i T E R " , a t ; l e a s t .. ( a way to t h e ; REALms )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fcly8-RGhgw
( W H O; may say; ;MOZART; did not w e a r ; the " SHOE-of his FATHER's-MAKE s " ..)

... and that; " i s THEchild " (Not a Child from, the street ) ; (the MAKER w as i n H i M);
.. , a STRONG;&Powerfull- a M A K E r ..




..and U wouldn't look-4; genius; ; in that century..(where there are MAKErs in the Childreen..)


" THE MAKER " :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrXpzOFknN0












.. b e e eeeeeee en " O 'D A " şirketinde MODDANiS
(Iwas to GO;out9 for) ; the Film; " FRANKensteiN " ..(yesterday)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxOSPfUw3qw

..i t WAS; C o n t e m p o rary; ..

..when w e were; i n PARis; ; I loved that; " NOTRE DAME " ; ..
( the most ı was influensed; b y; ,, w e r e ; THESE; " stone-CREATURES " ; runnig a way from the Cathedral; (because they saw the spirit of theGod; was in ,there, I thought) ,,..

..this film is a collage; (contemporary uses mostly) ..with Frankestein; and that; Notre DOME, c r e a t u r e s ..(not the " Human-huncback " as a creature ..nested into the cathedral..but this Time Franestein; .. is PUT; ,in that cathedral..by the contemporarians..))

..there was that " the Hunchback " of Notre Dame ..F i l m ..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDCskbXY2kM..

...totally; diverse (contrary) WAYs; o f " a r t i n G " ..

conclussion : Contemporary takes an other " ROAD " ; (a totaly n e w combinations o f events; " p a r al e l l " ; to each OTHER; as i f HAPPENED; as s o ) ; o t h e r than; t h e y might have o c c u r e d; " i n conventional;and ; organic- H i s T O R y. "
...and w e couldn't w r i t e even that; H i s t o r y; r i g h t, Y E T ..
..m a y B E; , contemporary-History; C A N ..







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    ..http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_art

    ..that is HOW; " architects " o f the A R T; ,Talk about; art-history..
    ( they draw rational lines; -as if mathematicians can show us ;n e w Domains.. )

    ....l e t ME; Tell, U, as a LABOR-Maker, o n ART-Sound, what, " THAT " i s..

    ...first of all, U wouldn't " k n o w the PiaNO " (playing ) (it is a note -or sound- provider; in fact ;and U shouln't have to KNOW-it..to g e t sounds out of i t.. )
    ( ARChitects say; U have to KNOW; before U DO..(or MAKE) (if U are to MAKE; a chair, then that may b e true..-even I do not belive that- )

    ......" SOUND " ; accumulates; i n any of US..( we say w e haer people, b u t SOUND carries, them; i n; and U take sound, i n t o U.. -and it acumulates- so.

    ...SO; WE h a v e to " FART " that " SOUND " o u t ..(of course that is not the sound, when heared farting
    ( s o; contemporary-art-or-movement ; is based on ; to the accumulations; -that may have taken shape o f the H u m a n.,(when inside) t o o..-

    L e t 's come to that; " SOUND ART " ..describtion.
    ..there are " SOUND " i n ME (my Body-&Brain) ; and there are SOUNDs, in that PiaNO..

    .." my HAND; is inbetween " ..(that means; I have a HAND; and my BODy can go into the Piano; & PiaNO; h as that " HAND " either, to GO; i n t o, my BODy-&Brain..

    ...S O; PiaNO; DOES not Know; M E; and; I DO not KNOW-PiaNO; e i t h e r..
    ( b u t ; my HAND; has b e KNOWiNG; b o t h ..presume a b l e ly.. -I can see what piano is, at least-)

    ...S O; F i g h t; b e g i n s; ;Between; 2 sound-sources..(and my hand is the ball, game should play with )
    ...the " clash " o f the " SOUNDs " ; H a p p e n; there..
    (in fact, as sounds will crash, -pysically, and facts included- ; BODiES; o f P i a N O; and myBODy; " eNTERs-i N " ..each OTHER ..
    ...." H i b r i d s " OCCUR; between TWO; BODies; and " HAND " shall , eXPRESS; t h e s e ; H i b r i d s; too..
    ( HAND is not, passive here, like BALL;i s, in the G A M E )

    ...that i s; SOUNDs; ( rendom touches of fingers will couse to these sounds from Piano)
    w i l l; crash i n to; my hearing; and also to m y Brain.. (rendom sounds has be heared as " SOUND " only, by m y brain..- ,,
    ,, and these SOUNDs will e r a s e ; a place in my Brain; ,and locate these; SOUNDs as A B A S E; (of SOUND) , (installed into my brain) ..

    S O; I have a " CANVAS " , i n my Brain; MADE o f SOUNDs; (that I made by my HAND )

    result :
    * in SOUND -art; ;there has to b e; a BASE;made of SOUND (installed into the Brain;by the HANDs o f that; Brain ))

    * ..the SOUND; accumulated i n My-BODY; (but it has to be TAKEN; the shape of my Human existance ,while in m e..), can b e ADDed; O N T O; -to that-; " SOUND-CANVAS " ..

    * PiaNO; has a ; " SOUL " .. (steinway,or yamaha, will differ,too ) ..and the BODy ( the NOTES o f that piano; ) of PiaNO; h a s to b e; EQUAL; to m y BODY; and; i t has to begin an " ATTACK " into m y, B O D Y ..

    ( PiaNO; can WALK; o n m e; TOO..-with what is hidden i n it..also ALPHAbeth has to WALK i n; the WRiTTER; ,and soAlphaBETH; has a SOUL; in it; though- .. give them their BODy i f U can; from U'r BODY; and H A N D )

    * SO; (because there is a BASE; made of SOUND;(aCANVAS) i n the BRAiN )

    t r i l o g y can b e ; " Homogenious " ..

    ..that is; MY BODy can b e TRANSFORMED; i n t o ; " t h e BODy-of THE-PiANO " ..

    ..and as my-BODy; DiD many things in SPORTs;
    N O W; " P i a N O " ; has G a i N e d ; i t 's B O D y,
    ..a n d ; W i L L; M A K E; " WHAT a PiANO; h a s to D O; or MAKE "
    .. i n that; part; o f the UNiVERSE..
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    to continue.. (part 2)

    .p.s.
    ..D O not forget; " SOUND CANVAS " (made of SOUND) ; gave us to transform; that " my-SOUND-b o d y " ; to that; " PiANO-BODy-SOUND " t o act; parellel, to m y; B O D i e s ; a c t s..

    ..so that ; i s; " WHAT I want; that PiANO; should B E; (and act then) "
    ..I w i l l; have to; " MAKE " my -BODy; that; THiNG, first.. (and in action of a Human-THiNG..








..http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_art

..that is HOW; " architects " o f the A R T; ,Talk about; art-history..
( they draw rational lines; -as if mathematicians can show us ;n e w Domains.. )

....l  e  t   ME; Tell, U, as a LABOR-Maker, o n ART-Sound, what, "  THAT  "   i s..

...first of all, U wouldn't  " k n o w  the PiaNO "  (playing ) (it is a note -or sound- provider; in fact ;and U shouln't have to KNOW-it..to g e t sounds out of i t.. )
( ARChitects say; U have to KNOW; before U DO..(or MAKE) (if U are to MAKE; a chair, then that may b e true..-even I do not belive that- )

......" SOUND " ; accumulates; i n any of US..( we say w e haer people, b u t SOUND carries, them; i n; and U take sound, i n t o  U..  -and it acumulates- so.

...SO;  WE  h a v e to  " FART " that " SOUND "  o  u  t  ..(of course that is not the sound, when heared farting
(  s o; contemporary-art-or-movement  ; is based on ; to the accumulations; -that may have taken shape o f  the H u m a n.,(when inside) t o o..-

L  e  t 's come to that; " SOUND ART " ..describtion.
..there are " SOUND " i n ME (my Body-&Brain) ; and there are SOUNDs, in that PiaNO..

.." my HAND; is inbetween " ..(that means; I have a HAND; and my BODy can go into the Piano; & PiaNO; h as  that " HAND " either, to GO; i n t o, my BODy-&Brain..

...S  O; PiaNO; DOES not Know; M E; and; I DO not KNOW-PiaNO; e i t  h e r..
(  b  u  t  ; my HAND; has b e KNOWiNG; b o t h ..presume a b l e ly.. -I can see what piano is, at least-)

...S  O; F i g h t;  b e g i n s;  ;Between; 2 sound-sources..(and my hand is the ball, game should play with )
...the " clash " o f  the "  SOUNDs   " ; H a p p e n; there..
(in fact, as sounds will crash, -pysically, and facts included-   ; BODiES; o f P i a  N O; and myBODy;   "   eNTERs-i  N  " ..each OTHER ..
...." H i b r i d s " OCCUR; between TWO; BODies; and " HAND " shall , eXPRESS; t h e s e ;  H i b r i d s;  too..
( HAND is not, passive here, like BALL;i s, in the G A M E )

...that i s; SOUNDs; ( rendom touches of fingers will couse to these sounds from Piano)
w  i  l  l; crash i n to; my hearing; and also to m y Brain.. (rendom sounds has be heared as " SOUND "  only, by m y brain..- ,,
,, and these SOUNDs will e r a s e ; a place in my Brain; ,and locate these; SOUNDs as A B A S E; (of SOUND) , (installed into my brain) ..

S  O; I have a "  CANVAS " , i n my Brain; MADE o f  SOUNDs; (that I made by my HAND )

result :
1-    in SOUND -art;     ;there has to b e; a BASE;made of SOUND (installed into the Brain;by the HANDs o f that; Brain ))

2- ..the SOUND; accumulated i n My-BODY; (but it has to be TAKEN; the shape of my Human existance ,while in m e..), can b e ADDed;  O N T O;   -to that-; " SOUND-CANVAS " ..

3-; PiaNO; has a ; " SOUL " .. (steinway,or yamaha, will differ,too ) ..and the BODy ( the NOTES o f that piano; )  of PiaNO; h a s to b e;  EQUAL; to m y BODY; and; i t has to begin an " ATTACK " into m y,  B O D Y ..
( PiaNO; can WALK; o n m e;  TOO..-with what is hidden i n it..also ALPHAbeth has to WALK i n; the WRiTTER; ,and soAlphaBETH; has a SOUL; in it; though-  .. give them their BODy i f U can; from U'r BODY; and H A N D )

4- SO; (because there is a BASE; made of SOUND;(aCANVAS) i n the BRAiN )
t r i l o g y can  b e ; " Homogenious " ..

..that is; MY BODy can b e  TRANSFORMED; i n t o ;  " t h e  BODy-of THE-PiANO " ..

..and as my-BODy;  DiD many things in SPORTs;
N  O  W; " P i a N O " ; has G a i N e d ;  i t 's B  O   D   y,
..a n d  ; W i L L;  M A K E; " WHAT a PiANO;  h  a s   to  D O; or MAKE  "
.. i n  that; part;  o  f    the UNiVERSE..

.p.s.
..D O not forget; " SOUND CANVAS " (made of SOUND) ; gave us to transform; that " my-SOUND-b o d y " ; to that; " PiANO-BODy-SOUND " t o  act; parellel, to m y;  B O D i e s ;   a    c   t    s..

..so that ; i  s; " WHAT I want; that PiANO; should B E; (and act then)  "
..I   w  i  l  l;  have to;  " MAKE " my -BODy;  that;  THiNG, first.. (and in action of a Human-THiNG..









  • Titus Hora
    Titus Hora
    Visual Artist - Programmer
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    First of all, Murat, it is incredibly boooooooring; I 'got it' the moment I saw it.

    I played it for 50 seconds, and I couldn't care less what comes after that; which, as far as I'm concerned makes it a total failure, because the least I'm expecting from a work of art is for it not to be boring.

    I want a work of art to keep me looking at it, and to want more.

    The first time I saw "The Night Watch" I set in front of it for hours... I was going from it to the three Vermeer paintings, a few rooms over, sit in front of them, then back...

    D_o YO;U gEt WwwwHaTT IIII"MMM sA'Yng?
  • Murat Oktay Danış
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    ....t h e r e might; b e; " a BE i n g " ; ON the DARK-Side-of the MOOn,,
    ..PLAYiNG that PiANO; o n the moon..
    ..and the MEANing, o f this " SHAMANiC " s e s s i ON; c a n b e;
    .. " i f I Could f o r c e; that; BEing; (it should- MAKE a misTAKE) as it will; B E; SEEN; by US; o n the EARTH.. ( A V i S i O n of that; " BE i n g " .. )

    ...so all my M O V E s are to BE; M a d e ; 2g e t " THAT; V i s i o n " ..
    ( NO Matter, my MAKings are..they DO not need to have a Meaning, though.. )

    I G u e s s..

    ....
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    Titus Hora
    Visual Artist - Programmer
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    I really couldn't care less... honestly.
  • Murat Oktay Danış
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    " D_o YO;U gEt WwwwHaTT IIII"MMM sA'Yng? "

    .. I can; give that to the " Printer " , and, sit an Hour, to, watch, that, Thing..
    ( there can b e; REALLy ; " An ART y THiNg " , i n THEsE -L i n i n g s .. )
    (ReaLity can h i D e; iTSELf, Hidden; i n the ; BroK E N, l ines.. )


    .. I wish; U would Write; l i k e ; that.. t o o ..
    ..and that is ,the contemprary way o f Writing..
    ..L i k e " SOUND " (not Notes of the Music) ; ALPHABeth; i s the " PURE; M a t e r i a l " ; , to the L i n e s ...where They can a c t , contemprarily..

    D O; U know; I am boooored, with, these, regular, writing s..too.. (as they (letters) are mixed; with human-doings ) ..
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    .. b e e eeeeeee en " O 'D A " şirketinde MODDANiS
    .. e X perimen t; is a boring; THiNG to D O..
    .. b u t someone has to DO, that..(for years in the Laboratories.. )

    (as I said; that is a raw session; that has to b e editied; by a professional RATiO; work,.. then it ; will beCOME; a TOTEM; -aRATiO- T o t e m, then..)

    .. THE THiNG; i s, i f there APPEARs; " A BEiNg " or a n ANGEL; i n the ; " V i s i o n "; (ON THE MOON) ; ,and t h e n, that will b e " eXtra ordinary " , and MORE REAL; than; the Totem-of-the-RATiO; itself.. a THiNG.. (on Earth)

    I Think.." the THiNg " ,that; W A Y .
  • Titus Hora
    Titus Hora
    Visual Artist - Programmer
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    sure man, knock yourself out; let me know when it starts to be interesting...
    Even better: I'll wait until somebody else tells me it is...

    ;-D
  • Murat Oktay Danış
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    I think ; ı am t h e; " V i s o i n " provider.. ( a painter)
    RATiO-Professioanls has to WORK; o n that; raw-eXperiment ..

    ( my Whole RATiO; has gone to the MOON; -and 2 the DARK Side- to Bring that; V i s i o n; to the earth; into that Video, camera..should I e d i t; it too.. that is too much Work, even to my; RATiO.. (over-sea es; OVER-MOONs )..
    S O; WE need; these; " CONTEMPORARians " ..
  • Murat Oktay Danış
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    I have to GO,, ..(out9) ..








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T i t US; , can that b e said as; " contemporary " a r t..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxSEfPIT53k&list=UUoclApcUHJH_NyOZI_kqZ8Q

" PLAYiNG; P i A NO; on the DARK-SiDE; o f THE-M O O N "..2013

( or " there is a Piano; ; V i s i O N " happening; (with NO; sound -onMOON-) o n the DARK-Side of the MOON; and i t M A K E S ; M E; , (My Human Body) M o v e, and ; PLAY-PiANO; ;as I BECOME; ; "an art-maker; ON the W O R L D " .. -by the means of these VisiONs- ) ..


..( of course, i t is RAW-Video..(full-s e s s i o n)..it has to b e Edited; ,professionally .. ) ..( so is there a " MEANing ", in that Video..)













.. b e e eeeeeee en " O 'D A " şirketinde MODDANiS
as a summary ..

.. contemporary is to make material; p u r e ; and clean; (that material; & methods DO; not contain; HUMAN " .. ) SO; w e can e v e n; MAKE; HUMAN; (m o r e ; clean) ..with these; "unhumanated " ; materials and methods..

https://www.facebook.com/moddanis/media_set?set=a.10201970617920195.1073741836.1027582449&type=3

...abstract; is a " THiNG " ; i n F a c t..

.. b u t ; " Contemporary " is a method with pure-material "
.. t o " MAKE-THiNGs " ; (that ARE not from our World..) ) tbut can, " EXisT; in our World.. too . ( i n a , ;L i b e r a t i o n -REALization.. )












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  • Murat Oktay Danış
    .. b e e eeeeeee en " O 'D A " şirketinde MODDANiS
    Mark.. Bethoween, last Quartets; a r e ; " p e a k " ,in art's (music's) philosphy..( it is someThing ,to Listen; them.. ) (and a film " copying Bethoween ", begin with t h e m ..)

    ...i n these quartets; bethoween, tries, to, make " sound " ; " what -or how- sound is in it's n a t u r e ,, (not in Human) (as is ;in the matter) ..

    .." S O U N D " ; (in it's Nature) ,is not a living thing.. (so we are not in same nature with the sound-THiNG.. and it is abstract to us;SO; ,(and absurd) -or to our human-natural moves-)

    ...SO; i f we meet with; " t h a t " ; ; " SOUND " of the matter; -hearing it- (taking it inside us) should; " e r a s e " , o u r ; " humanitive nature " ..(and we do not want,that happen.. ..but artist has to f a c e ; with THAT effect.. (so artist has to produce more-humanity-flow; by DOings; to avoid that effect..)

    ... b e t h o w e e n; i n these quartets; t r i e s the; " snythesis " ; o f these; " SOUNDs " that are to " e r a s e " , Human-nature..( of course there is a conra-attach of being human; to these sound-THiNGs; and that gives us clue;on " being-a-Human-THiNG "..)

    ( music uses NOTEs; and notes of music are not " absract-SOUNDs ( that erase s)..
    "..N o t e " ;represent ; a " person " ; i n Music..-and music is about a person; or people; and it is not abstract when telling person to the people.. .. -if not abstract-Music-; )

    B e t h o w e e n; is a music man (musician) .. b u t he makes eXperiments, to produce that, " abstract " nature of the " SOUND " ; from the " NOTEs; o f the M u s i c " ..
    ...H e ; " abstracts " makes abstraction " ; to these n o t e s of the Music..

    ( i t will be contemporary; SOUND-ART; i f we begin with ; " SOUND " (not note s of the music's) and make some-STRUCTUREs; using that; " SOUND-tool " , from the begining..

    ( that is; contemporary does not contain any notes (of the music) ..
    that means; ; we can not say " contemporary music " ..
    .. b u t WE; can say; " Contemporary a r t " made; w i t h ; S O U N D s..
    (still that is not music, that contain people, i n )

    M a r k; as I am writings to U'r comment; I am giving answer, to Brian's question; too.. " what is SOUND art ? " .. (that " sound-art " is made by me, ..I do not know, if it is being used, in the field.. )
  • Murat Oktay Danış
    .. b e e eeeeeee en " O 'D A " şirketinde MODDANiS
    ..to continuee..( part 2)


    C o n t e m p o r a r y; in fact; is " secular " from; " human " ; ( I Think )..

    " SOUND; i s a secular, ThinG " in fact; ; b u t ; w e , put; human-or-person in it ;and it is MUSiC then ...( SO; w e forget; there is a THiNG; in there, (that w e took; a s a BASEmaterial) ..( " the SOUND Thing" is in the notes -or matter- but other than; Human..and it hurts us; -and we are not aware of that effect- .then that is ; ART; (or Music) i s not an ANGEL..really.. ) ..

    ..the need for " contemporary " ; i s to separate; t h a t; " t h i n g (sound here) ; APART..and w e can m a k e ; e v e n; " a PERSON " ; " o r a HUMAN " ; with these; " contemporary-materials " ; a n d ; ; still these ; " basic-construction-elements " will b e ; , truely-secular..( they do not contain; any human in..)

    ... " a M A D E ; HUMAN; " b u t ; D O E S not have; any HUMAN; i n..
    ..that is a " very WELL-a T h i n g " .. ( a PURE THiNG,indeed) ..
    ...and WE can MAKE; " PURE HUMAN ; with i t; t o o " ; ( using- that secular-MEDiUM )..

    ..and that " contemporarianism " ; gives that c h a nc e ; to; U S ..ONLY..

    ( with this s e x; we are melted; in e a c h OTHER; and then; there is NO; c h a nc e; w e can; put apart; the material; and human; i n other boxes..They are mixed; and never b e ; pure and Apart; again..-that is we can not be true;individuals; although w e are named as " individuals " by Capitalists..- -every one is a Hybrid-being and a human-being; but " b e ing; a HUMAN " ; i s JUST; a n OTHER; T h i n g, that will b e W O R K e d; (in Pure i t y)

    ..and " Contemporary " shall g i v e us that; purity b y; " PURE and UNhumanited -Materials and Methods " w h e r e ; H u m a n i t y ; can not,
    " L E A K; i n " ; these materials; and; METHODs..

    p.s.
    w e are made of cells; b u t ; we generate-Power; and L i v e ness; from the ATOMs; w e include, i n U S..
    I would s a y, " the L i v e ness o f the MATTER " ; has to b e; LEFT; to the Material..we (as Humans) shouldn't s u c k, these ATOMs; for o u r OWN-SAKEs..
    .. W e have to increase o u r, humanities,-comingfrom our cells- with, sports-sex-and all kinds of DOings; in an other " category-a - THiNG " ; HUMAN i s ..
    ...( other than; SOUND; but just L i k e, i t .. ) ( We can act Like sound; but we shouln't be nested i n sound, 4 that " ..











Mark.. Bethoween, last Quartets; a r e ;  " p e a k " ,in art's (music's) philosphy..( it is someThing ,to Listen; them.. ) (and a film " copying Bethoween ", begin with t h e m ..)

...i n these quartets; bethoween, tries, to, make   " sound "  ; " what -or how- sound is in it's n a t u r e ,, (not in Human)  (as is ;in the matter)  ..

.." S O U N D " ; (in it's Nature) ,is not a living thing.. (so we are not  in same nature with the sound-THiNG.. and it is abstract to us;SO; ,(and absurd) -or to our human-natural moves-)

...SO; i f we meet with; " t h a t " ; ; " SOUND " of the matter; -hearing it- (taking it inside us) should; " e  r  a s e " , o u r ; " humanitive nature " ..(and we do not want,that happen.. ..but artist has to f a c e ; with THAT effect.. (so artist has to produce more-humanity-flow; by DOings;  to avoid that effect..)

... b e t h o w e e n; i n these quartets; t r i e s  the; "  snythesis  "  ; o f these; " SOUNDs " that are to " e r a s e " , Human-nature..( of course there is a conra-attach of being human; to these sound-THiNGs; and that gives us clue;on  " being-a-Human-THiNG "..)

( music uses NOTEs; and notes of music are not " absract-SOUNDs ( that erase s)..
"..N o t e "  ;represent ; a " person " ; i n Music..-and music is about a person; or people; and it is not abstract when telling person to the people.. ..  -if not abstract-Music-;  )

B e t h o w e e n; is a music man (musician) .. b u t he makes eXperiments, to produce that, " abstract " nature of the " SOUND " ; from the " NOTEs; o f the M  u  s  i  c " ..
...H  e  ; " abstracts " makes abstraction " ; to these n o t e s of the Music..

( i t will be contemporary;  SOUND-ART;  i f we begin with ; " SOUND " (not note s of the music's) and make some-STRUCTUREs; using that; " SOUND-tool " , from the begining..

( that is; contemporary does not contain any notes (of the music) ..
that means; ; we can not say " contemporary music " ..
.. b u t  WE; can say; " Contemporary a r t " made; w i t h ;  S O U N D s..
(still that is not music, that contain people, i n )

M a r k; as I am writings to U'r comment; I am giving answer, to Brian's question; too.. " what is SOUND art  ? " .. (that  " sound-art "  is made by me, ..I do not know, if it is being used, in the field.. )

C o n t e m p o r a r y; in fact; is " secular  "  from; " human " ; ( I Think  )..

"  SOUND; i s a secular, ThinG " in fact; ; b  u  t ;  w e , put; human-or-person in it ;and it is MUSiC then ...( SO; w e forget; there is a THiNG; in there, (that w e took; a s a BASEmaterial) ..( " the SOUND Thing" is in the notes -or matter- but other than; Human..and  it hurts us; -and we are not aware of that effect- .then that is ; ART; (or Music) i s not an ANGEL..really.. ) ..

..the need for " contemporary " ; i s to separate; t h a t;  " t h i n g  (sound here) ; APART..and w e can m a k e ; e v e n; " a PERSON  " ;  " o r a HUMAN " ; with these; " contemporary-materials " ;  a n d  ;  ; still these ; " basic-construction-elements " will  b e ; , truely-secular..( they do not contain; any human in..)

... "  a  M A D E ;  HUMAN; "   b  u  t  ;  D O E S not have; any HUMAN;  i  n..
..that is a   " very WELL-a  T h i n g "  .. ( a PURE THiNG,indeed) ..
...and WE can MAKE; " PURE HUMAN ; with i t; t o o  " ; ( using- that secular-MEDiUM )..

..and that " contemporarianism " ; gives that c h a nc e ; to;  U  S ..ONLY..

( with this s e x; we are melted; in e a c h OTHER; and then; there is NO; c h a nc e; w e can; put apart; the material; and human; i n other boxes..They are mixed; and never b e ; pure and Apart; again..-that is we can not be true;individuals; although w e are named as " individuals " by Capitalists..- -every one is a Hybrid-being and a human-being; but " b e ing; a HUMAN  " ; i s  JUST; a n OTHER; T h i n g, that will b  e   W O R K e  d; (in Pure i t y)

 ..and " Contemporary " shall g i v e us that; purity b y; " PURE and UNhumanited -Materials and Methods "  w h e r e ;  H u m a n i t y ; can not,
"  L  E  A  K;  i n  "  ; these materials; and; METHODs..

p.s.
 w e are made of cells; b u t ; we generate-Power; and L i v e ness; from the ATOMs; w e include, i n  U S..
I would s a y, " the L i v e ness o f the MATTER " ; has to b e; LEFT; to the Material..we (as Humans) shouldn't s u c k, these ATOMs; for o u r OWN-SAKEs..
.. W e have to increase o u r, humanities,-comingfrom our cells- with, sports-sex-and all kinds of DOings; in an other " category-a - THiNG " ; HUMAN i  s ..
...( other than; SOUND; but just L i k e,  i  t ..  ) ( We can act Like sound; but we shouln't be nested i n sound, 4 that " ..
özet





Mark.. Bethoween, last Quartets; a r e ;  " p e a k " ,in art's (music's) philosphy..( it is someThing to Listen; them.. ) (and a film " copying Bethoween ", begin with t h e m ..)
...i n these quartets; bethoween, tries, to, make   " sound "  ; " what -or how- sound is in it's n a t u r e  (in the matter)  ..
.." S O U N D " ; (in it's Nature) ,is not a living thing.. (so we are not  same with the sound's nature..and it is abstract to us; -or to our natural moves-)
...SO; i f we meet with; " t h a t "  " SOUND " of the matter; hearing it (taking it inside us) should; " e  r  a s e " , o u r ; " humanitive nature " ..
... b e t h o w e e n; i n these quartets; t r i e s to; "  snythesis  "  ; o f these; " SOUNDs " that are to " e r a s e " , Human-nature..

( music uses NOTEs; and notes of music are not " absract-SOUNDs ( that erase s).."..N o t e ;represent ; a " person " ; i n Music..-and music is about a person; or people; and it is not abstract when telling person to the people.. ..  -if not abstract-Music-;  )
B e t h o w e e n; is a music man (musician) .. b u t he makes eXperiments, to produce that, " abstract " nature of the " SOUND " ; from the NOTEs; o f the M  u  s  i  c ..
...H  e  ; " abstracts " makes abstraction " ; to these n o t e s of the Music..
( i t will be contemporary; i f we begin with ; " SOUND " (not note s of the music) and make some STRUCTUREs; using that; " SOUND " tool, from the begining..
( that is; contemporary does not contain any notes (of the music) ..
that means; ; we can not say " contemporary music " ..
.. b u t  WE; can say; " Contemporary a r t " made; w i t h ;  S O U N D s..

M a r k; as I am writings to U'r comment; I am talking to Brian's question; too.. " what is SOUND art " .. (that sound-art is made by me, ..I do not know, if it is being used, in the field.. )

C o n t e m p o r a r y; in fact; is " secular  "  from; " human " ; I Think..
SOUND; i s a secular, ThinG; b  u  t ;  w e , put; human-or-person in it ;and it is MUSiC then ...( SO; w e forget; there is a THiNG; in there, that w e took; a s a BASE (the SOUND; or any other Thing, -or matter- but other than; Human..but it hurts us; and we are not aware of that effect..and that is ; ART; (or Music) i s not an ANGEL.. ) ..

..the need for " contemporary " ; i s to separate; t h a t;  " t h i n g  (sound here) ; APART..and w e can m a k e ;  a PERSON; o r a HUMAN; with these; b u t; still these ; " basic-construction-elements " are, truely-secular..( they do not contain; any human in..)
... "  a  M A D E ;  HUMAN; "   b  u  t  ;  D O E S not have; any HUMAN;  i  n..
..that is a very well a  T h i n g .. ( a PURE THiNG,indeed) ..
...and WE can MAKE; " PURE HUMAN ; t o o  " ; with that secular-MEDiUM..
..and that " contemporarianism " ; gives that c h a nc e ; to;  U  S ..
( with this s e x; we are melted; in e a c h OTHER; and then; there is NO; c h a nc e; w e can; put apart; the material; and human; i n other boxes..They are mixed; and never b e ; pure and Apart; again..-that is we can not be true;individuals; although w e are named as " individuals " by Capitalists..- -every one is a Hybrid-being and a human-being; but b e ing; a HUMAN; i s  JUST; a n OTHER; T h i n g, that will b  e   W O R K e  d; (in Pure i t y) ..and " Contemporary " shall g i v e us that; purity b y; " PURE and UNhumanited -Materials and Methods "  w h e r e ;  H u m a n i t y ; can not,
L  E  A  K;  i n ; these materials; and; METHODs..





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    .. b e e eeeeeee en " O 'D A " şirketinde MODDANiS
    if ı should " Frame " ; ALL; art-History; I should say,

    ..i f modernism has been achieved, TRUELY;

    ...... ; modern painter has to be a " all-contemporary-perFormance-artist" ; (and a all-MODERNism applier) ;and has to install these all; i n t o ; PAiNTiNg).. PUT ALL ARt-History to restore; ;Painting-History,.. ) Ucan APPLY all these into paint; i f there OCCURED; " MODERN FiGURE " ..

    ; then there will b e a authomatic; " passage ; " ; between; Modern-WORK;(painting) and; the " " contemporary-PiCTURiNG " ..
    ..Today it is " painting of the Contemporary " ; only..

    S i m i l a r ; to that..
    They called i t ; " BAROQUE-Painting " .." TRUE-Baroque "-Painting ..should come after ;Modernity..
    (i t was; " painting of the Baroque-E r a- Culture " ; ONLy..

    ...w h e n; " Quantum Mechanics " appeared; N e w to n ian Physics,; finished..
    (..same happened; with the ; Euclid; geometry )..
    S O; nothing has to b e ; " the SAME " after; , MODERN-PHYsics.. even in in the; painting.. ( SO; they begun with the impressionism; b u t, they could not achieve the MODERNity-STEP; totally.. )

    S O;, art has to b e Changed; in Modern Times; with the knowladge of "Quantum Theory " but couldn't be complated..

    T h e y could not; " give UP " ; drawing; F i g u r e s-k n o w ing l y ;((impressionists)
    ..they Told that; emotions; and impressions should change shape; of the " F i g u r e s " ; (SO; Figures WERE; U G L y ) ,b u t , that was not enough for a revolution..

    ...F i g u r e has to o c c u r ; MODERNLy;( walking on the modern path, only; that path should take us to that; multi-sided; multi-defined-F i g u r i n g ..U shouldn't memorise; the F i g u r e ; it has to o c c u r ; in different dimensions, and " become " L i k e a Figure ; t h e n ...)

    .. (leonardo; m a d e F i g u r e s; too, but ; they have that " dimensions " to b e converted, into; " contemporarian-picturing " ..these are conventional Figures; but also; keep that modern dimensions; i n.. why anybody can not paint, figures; like leonardo did.. )

    ..it all c o m e s; to that; " devision with 4 " (MOD ERN is defined SO,in 4sided canvas) ..DRAW a Figure; with " 4 Sides " , and that F i g u r e ; may b e " MODERN " then..

    C u b i s m; tried many geometric-extensions (to change-the figure) but; to change a Figure is not; " to divide " it; by 4. (and 4-eXact..part s..t o o, and change can not catch these eXact parts ; ) ..

    ...W h a t, I am saying is.. i f MODERNity; could b e; achieved; ; TRUELy, (when traditionaly- memorised; they DO, not occur modernly;..in Modern; U can not control " WHAT; will h a p p e n; a s a Figure " ..U can d e f i n e it as a Figure afterwards..but U will have that " 4 definations " , ; instead of one Figure-traditional )
    ... ( l e t me tell an other thing..if something happened ; then; consultants sholuld ask i t; to sociologists, psychologist, biologists, antropologists.. and that i s to devide FACT; by 4 , too.. from 4 sides.. in science.. -science is modern, s o- .)
  • Murat Oktay Danış
    .. b e e eeeeeee en " O 'D A " şirketinde MODDANiS
    ...to continue.. (part 2 )


    S O; if I could say i t;
    ; i f a Modern-F i g u r e (4sided;and 4 times defined; o n l y; ) (and that gives art- F i g u r e; Liberation ; and freedom..because if U define something in 4 ways; then i t becomes " relative " a Thing.. (relativity;WORKs) (Ican add any modernism or contemporarianism; to that L i b e r a l; figuring..too)
    ..and a genuine art-THiNG; c a n; WALK; intrough that; " relativitiy "; a n d ; A C T; spontaneously; a s i t; İS; .. i n t h e; paint ( NO; s i e g e of dominations,)
    ....

    ..aMODERN-ART-THiNG;c a n eaisily b e transFormed;( using basic computer programs; authomatically) to " contemporary-THiNGs ; -o r NEW-FORMs-; o f " the P i c t ur i n g ; S " ..

    ...contemporary h a s to be; d e f i n e d; again; then, too..
    ... a l l; has to b e, N E W ..
    inventers of " contemporary " art ; -&ART-MAKERs- ; wouldn't put that, Modern and Humanitive-Thing in. t'hea r t.




if ı should " Frame " ; ALL; art-History; I should say,

..i f modernism has been achieved, TRUELY;

......  ;  modern painter has to be a  " all-contemporary-perFormance-artist" ; (and a all-MODERNism applier) ;and has to   install these all; i n t o ;  PAiNTiNg).. PUT ALL ARt-History to restore; ;Painting-History,..  ) Ucan APPLY all these into paint; i f there OCCURED; " MODERN FiGURE " ..

 ; then there will b e a authomatic;  " passage ; " ; between; Modern-WORK;(painting)  and; the "   " contemporary-PiCTURiNG " ..
..Today it is " painting of the Contemporary " ; only..

S i m i l a r ; to  that..
They called i t  ; " BAROQUE-Painting " .." TRUE-Baroque "-Painting ..should come after ;Modernity..
(i  t  was; " painting of the Baroque-E r a- Culture " ; ONLy..

...w h e n; " Quantum Mechanics " appeared; N e w to n ian Physics,; finished..
(..same happened; with the ; Euclid; geometry )..
S  O; nothing has to b e ; " the SAME " after; , MODERN-PHYsics.. even in in the; painting.. ( SO; they begun with the impressionism; b u t, they could not achieve the MODERNity-STEP; totally..  )

S   O;, art has to b e Changed; in Modern Times; with the knowladge of "Quantum Theory " but couldn't be complated..

T h e y could not; " give UP " ; drawing; F i g u r e s-k n o w ing l y ;((impressionists)
..they Told that; emotions; and impressions should change shape; of the " F i g u  r e s " ; (SO;  Figures WERE; U G L y ) ,b  u t , that was not enough for a revolution..

...F i g u r e has to  o c c u r  ; MODERNLy;( walking on  the modern path, only; that path should take us to that; multi-sided; multi-defined-F i g u r i n g ..U shouldn't memorise; the F i g u r e ; it has to o c c u r ; in different dimensions, and " become " L i k e a Figure ; t h e n ...)

.. (leonardo; m a d e F i g u r e s; too, but ; they have that " dimensions " to b e converted, into; " contemporarian-picturing " ..these are conventional Figures; but also; keep that modern dimensions; i n.. why anybody can not paint, figures; like leonardo did.. )

..it all c o m e s; to  that; " devision with 4 " (MOD ERN is defined SO,in 4sided canvas) ..DRAW a Figure; with " 4 Sides " , and that F i g u r e ; may b e  " MODERN "  then..

C u b i s m; tried many geometric-extensions (to change-the figure) but; to change a Figure is not; " to divide " it; by 4.  (and 4-eXact..part s..t  o  o, and change can not catch these eXact parts ; ) ..

...W h a t, I am saying is.. i  f MODERNity; could b e; achieved; ; TRUELy,  (when traditionaly- memorised; they DO, not occur modernly;..in Modern;  U can not control " WHAT; will h a p p e n;  a s a Figure " ..U can d e f i n e it as a Figure afterwards..but U will have that  "  4 definations  " , ; instead of one Figure-traditional )
  ... ( l e t me tell an other thing..if something happened ; then; consultants sholuld  ask i t; to sociologists, psychologist, biologists, antropologists.. and that i s to devide FACT; by 4 , too.. from 4 sides.. in science.. -science is modern, s o- .)

S  O; if I could say i t;
; i f a Modern-F i g u r e (4sided;and 4 times defined; o n l y; ) (and that gives    art- F i g u r e;   Liberation ; and freedom..because if U define something in 4 ways; then i t becomes " relative " a Thing.. (relativity;WORKs) (Ican add any modernism or contemporarianism; to that L i b e r a l; figuring..too)
..and a genuine  art-THiNG; c  a  n; WALK; intrough that; " relativitiy ";  a  n  d ; A C T;  spontaneously; a  s  i t;  İS; .. i  n  t h e;  paint ( NO; s i e g e of dominations,)
....

..aMODERN-ART-THiNG;c a n  eaisily b e transFormed;( using basic computer programs; authomatically)  to " contemporary-THiNGs ; -o r NEW-FORMs-; o f "    the  P i c t ur i n g ;   S  "  ..

...contemporary  h a s to be; d e f i n e d; again; then,  too..
... a  l  l; has to b  e,  N E W ..
inventers of " contemporary " art ; -&ART-MAKERs-  ; wouldn't put that, Modern and Humanitive-Thing in. t'hea r t.











if ı should " Frame " ; ALL; art-History; I should say,

..i f modernism has been achieved, TRUELY;

......  ;  modern painter has to be a contemporary-perFormance-artist; (happening, and all modern movements; and contemporary insllation,Conceptualism; constructivism, dada, fovism,Kubism; e.c.t. all should b e; installed; i n PAiNTiNg).. F i r s t..that is TRUE;Modern Painting,..  )
 ; then there should b e a " passage " there; between; Modern-WORK;(painting)  and; the "   " contemporary painting " ..
TODAY; what w e have is not contemporary painting ..(painting i n Contemporarian ways..

S i m i l a r ; to  that..
They call i t  ; BAROQUE-Painting ..it is not the " TRUE-Baroque "-Painting ..
i  t  is; painting of the Baroque-E r a- Culture; ONLy..

...w h e n; " Quantum Mechanics " appeared; N e w to n ian Physics,; finished..
..same happened; with the ; Euclid; geometry..
S  O; nothing has to b e ; " the SAME " after; , MODERN PHYsics.. even in in the; painting.. ( SO; they begun with the impressionism; b u t, they could not achieve the impressionism STEP; totally..
S   O;, art has to b e Chaned; in Modern Times; with the knowladge of "Quantum Theory " ; b  u t , that change could not b e made, TOTALLy..
T h e y could not; " give UP " ; drawing; F i g u r e s  ;((impressionists)   ,k n o w ing l y;
..they Told that; emotions; and impressions should change " F i g u  r e s " ; (SO;  Figures WERE; U G L y ) ,b  u t , that was not enough for a revolution..
...F i g u r e has to  o c c u r  ; MODERNLy;( walking on  the modern path, only; that path should take us to that; multi-sided; F i g u r i n g ..U shouldn't memorise; the F i g u r to draw; it has to o c c u r ; in different dimensions, and " become " ; t h e n ..as a b e ing-thing, .)
.. y  o  u  can not; describe or draw a " Figure " ; " knowingly " ..
.. (leonardo; m a d e F i g u r e s; too, but ; they have that " dimensions " to b e converted, into; " contemporarian-painting " ..these are conventional Figures; but also; keep that modern dimensions; i n.. why anybody can not paint, figures; like leonardo did.. )

..it all c o m e s; to  that; " devision with 4 " (MOD ERN is defined SO,in 4sided canvas) ..DRAW a Figure; with " 4 Sides " , and that F i g u r e ; may b e  " MODERN "  then..
C u b i s m; tried many geometric-extensions (to change-the figure) but; to change a Figure is not; " to divide " it; by 4.  ( U have to choose 4 pictures; from all these changed s..after .. and these 4 has to b e eXact..t  o  o, in   " MODERNiTE " ..

...W h a t, I am saying is.. i  f MODERNity; could b e; achieved; ; TRUELy, (there are still people; who draw; F i g u r e s; (as memorised; they DO, not occur modernly; U can not control WHAT; will h a p p e n;  a s a Figure..U can d e f i n e it as a Figure afterwards..but U will have that 4 definations, instead of one Figure-traditional )
  ... ( l e t me tell an other thing..if something happens; then; consultatnts ask i t; to sociologists, psychologist, biologists, antropologists.. and that i s to devide FACT; by 4 , too.. )

S  O; if I could say i t;
; i f Modern-F i g u r e (4sided;and 4 times defined; o n l y; SO; that is scientific a F i g u r e ; t o  o.. ) (and that gives    art- F i g u r e;   Liberation ; and freedom..because if U define something in 4 ways; then i t becomes " relative " a Thing.. (relativity;WORKs)
..and a genuine  art-THiNG; c  a  n; WALK; intrough tat; " relativitiy ";  a  n  d ; A C T;  spontaneously; a  s  i t;  İS; .. i  n  t h e;  paint ( NO; s e g e of dominations, happen there)
....

..a FREE; " art-Thing; (ALSO-MODERN) ..can   b   e   eaisily transFormed;( using basic computer programs; authomatically)  to " contemporary-THiNGs ; o r F i G U R E S; o f "    the  P i c t ur i n g ;   S  "  ..

...contemporary  h a s to be; d e f i n e d; again; then,  too..
... a  l  l; has to b  e,  N E W ..
inventers of " contemporary " art ; -&artMAKE e r s-  ; wouldn't put that, Modern and Humanitive-Thing in. a r t.








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    Irena,

    re: Irena: " I wonder if we really know what the "common man" thought of the Impressionists when they made their first offerings " .

    ..I w a s a youngster; d i d not know, where to go; what to D O..( as terror ; -left&wright-quaerel under the influence of " cold " war..b e g u n in Turkey..1974.. )
    I had been a chorus member to Ankara Radio (forTurkey) ;since 12 years old;and playing child roles in Opera-House..A basketball-team player, , and ı have written all my school books to papers, -as a repeat- (so my writings begun with copying my school books with my hand writing; even Maths,and pyshics, e c t . )(SO; I write when I need to r e a d,(eager for these letters) these; letters of Alphabeth )..

    ...w h e n I could not go to Univercity,although I was a student in Chemistry-Engineering Faculty, I h a d; plenty o f time; at m y HOME.. (where I was to lean-on to my childhood talents.. ) (everyday; ,writing, playing basketball; making music, painting..e.c.t.)
    ..that has lasted; 16 years; and I listen to every " chapter " ; (4 repated; t i m e s) at the univercity.. SO; I am a " 4XUnivercity-graduate " ..(4 times repeated-graduate on the same subject..who might DO; that.. there is a HUGE; eXtension ) ( ..and; that also had to occur in my DOings; t o o....as if I was; a 5 person; ; I studied; in 5 deciplines; and DOings ..)

    ( they should say;U have to DO; ONE-thing in U'r life; and call i t U'r proffecion..S O, I w a s ; OUT; o f the; ;REGULAR-RATiONAL-Tradition..and that was competable; w i t h ; m y; goals to fallow a different PATH; paralell to, tha ART-History; )

    S O; authomatically; ; engineering; h a s L e a k e d ; i n t o ; MY; HUMANitive; e v e r y-Day-actions..-or DOings- ,,I did not DO; anything; aiming that; , THEY (my DOings); should h a v e to BE; -that " ART-T h i N g " ....
    ..forget art; and l e t ; i t; to itself and i t ; WiLL " f i n d " ; U; s o o n ..
    ( as if U'r final; a i m is, to finish with the; ART )..

    .. b u t eventually; t h e y; E V O L V E D ; t o ; the a r t; a s my engineering m e t h o d s; should W O R K; ON; " these humaniterian DOings "; to PRODUCE; a " PRODUCT "..

    S O; Irena.. I am that; " common man " ; walking o n the street that DOES; n o t have any strict obsession; ON; MAKiNG art; o r; , " Making the things as art ".
    S O; I a m; with that question U are asking; t o the " common - s e n s e " of a common-man.. " WHAT; i s ART " ; & how can it b e-d e s i g n e d ;
    d u e to; a ,p u r e " humaniterian " ; o r, a s i m p l e; " common m a n " who does not care what; a r t , i s to b e.. ..

    .....what I could m a n a g e ,in 40 year s ; That i s ; a " research&development " ; Experiment; and a S u r v e y ON; a r t - and ART-History.. (A PROJECT ..)

    ( I sold my wife's houses; SO; I shouldn't work for my L i f e .. I was to work; ONLY; f o r art;(I had my Life-Time to spend 4 that..)

    as to spend my time; " true 4 art " ; first, I w a s to b e; a TRUE; " Humaniterian " ..
    ..( to my self..a pure nature in being a human , -human is a Thing and it changes, too; as things should change in art, too-.. )

    .. and that (humanism) comes with; action-MOVEment-and withFLOW; o f everything..
    .. (every thing has to flow; intrough US; they would not stay; i n US.. )
    ( ONLY; THiNGs o f ART; should; " S T A Y " ;-or accumulate- i n m e; (with true impressions) and when they w e r e ; L i v e enough; to JUMP; OUTSiDE; t h e y should have to EXPRESSED; ..and fast, as it will become a " improvisation at o n c e " ..
    S w e can obtein an art;based on " L i v e ness ".. -and L i V E-THiNGs, as A R T ..
    ..SO; WE needed; these ; " Sport,Sex,Eroticism,-humanities " all i n art DOings..

    we have a saying, here; " WATER that flows; wouldn't hold any D i r t " ..
    ..S O if U are a humaniterian,First; t h e n, U'r art can hold only; " L iv e ; THiNGs " ..
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    Irena, I Think; ,Impressionism; took all it's impressions; and deciplines; from that; MODERN-science-Philosphy-revalution, happening, ; " o n QUANTUM-Mechanic-PYHsics " , and relativity .. ( I have taken that " Quanntum mechnics " class ;..at univercity .SO ;I could read them, from inside..)





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" 5 F i n g e r s; i n A HAND " ; and a " SQUARE SYMETRic-a BODy " ..
...t o SUCK; i n, all that CURVED; ,- Ero T i ci s m..



Titus Hora

Visual Artist - Producer


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wcBXSyi69s#t=158
a very refined painter: Boucher
Titus Hora












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..brilliant; T i t US.. that " swan " must have COME; from the MOON; -better than a MAN- ; I G u e s s ..; ( every Swan carry that; full-MOON; in their DARK PUPiLs;and in melted-black-Noses..


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Mike Bauer
Mike Bauer
visual alchemist in training ( sorcerer's apprentice II )
En Önemli Katkı Sağlayan
interesting. here's a dialog throwing out phrases to complement emotions, and it's formed as though we were reading the thoughts of the author. For some readers, there'll be random but significant moments of identification reading the 'poetic writing' -- who knows why, but things will sound right. Isn't that just like the modern art we're always talking about -- the performances and playouts into the art world? where, it's not meant to be taken in linearly but as a set of parallel events happening so quickly we can't name them: words fail? and, isn't that the excuse of the modern-performance artist? that ordinary dialog has failed and that we just have to show what's real? 


Brian Millard
Brian Millard
artist tutor at Education Services (NZ)
Murat,

Re: '..i f MOON; has been; a very small " magical-ball " and fall,2 e a r t h, to the " shore " ; e v e n I; (as a man) should PRAY; for that; " romanticism " .. ..and 4 t h e " r e a l " ; Thing,
; Although; physic's; WOULDN't l e t, MOON; FALL;
to t h e ; E A R T H.. '

I think your words are poetry.

The connection you make with Romanticism is apt. It is something disregarded to a large extent these days.
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    ..some Talks ON; s e X; Erotism and; POROgraphy..

    ...first o f all, " L i f e is SYMETRic " ..( has a symetry..)..and in daily life; unknown things , change our; " inside " ; and " brake " that symetry-of-L i f e; (being-alive) , i n US. ..

    ...S O; S p o r ts and; S e x; gives (we gain) us that symetry, a g a i n..
    E r o t i s m; atracts US; to " deep e n " i n; THiNGs...it implies; u s ; there will b e; very interesting things; , i f w e ; can; d i v e into " DEEP " .. i t is a promise; o f the curves; t h a t imply US; where, " the deep " , can b e; H i d d e n..

    PORN; i s a " Thing " ; TO; g o, to the; MOON.. (NOT an E A R T H y Thing ;Like EROTicism i s , on the surface of the EARTH )
    ..and when WE are; i n the MOON-Light; W E ; feel (recognize) that; " OUR RATiO " ; u s e s that; MOONLight; t o o..

    ...p o r n; give U S; the; " white moonLight of a star-DUST; and when that is gained b y our RATiO; w e can f e e l; that; WE became; M O R E; " intelligent " and " W i S E " ..( I could think very bright WHEN there w e r e; Nights; with the moon-light, when I was a C h i l d,,(NOsexNOPorns, at that time) ..

    P o r n; has that; (comes-&goes) just L i k e; " t i d e " on a shore; with the moon's attraction, o n the EARTH..S O; t h e r e is a " purple-MOON " inbetWeen-LEGs; ; that come s to E a r t h; (to the shore ) and, in the close service; o f the ,earthLY-surface..

    ( that; m e a n s; w e do not see; the reason; when " tide " happens in the see..but w e feel that; there is a big power ,to DO; that..
    .. b u t WE will b e ; very-pleased; i f we can s e e; THAT; moon and it's; " purple-white-tiny-surface-BUBLED; " ; , has come(reached) to, U S ..

    ..i f MOON; has been; a very small " magical-ball " and fall,2 e a r t h, to the " shore " ; e v e n I; (as a man) should PRAY; for that; " romanticism " .. ..and 4 t h e " r e a l " ; Thing,
    ; Although; physic's; WOULDN't l e t, MOON; FALL;
    to t h e ; E A R T H..

    M a g i c; with; THE; PORN;
    i f U can watch; the " sunset " o f the MOON; i n the EARTHy-BODY; -o f a WOMAN-..
    ....and that will b e , the involvement; o f the ; " apart part " ;into e a r t h..
    (that also means; our had can b e in our; BODy..so there are NO Dick-heads around.. )

    ..as a married; couple; U can create U'r OWN;-PORN..T a k e ,a Video Camera; and; Film; U'r OWN; PORN.. ( that; i s, there will b e; U'r MOON; and U'r Earth; and " t i d e s " ; originally with U'r " atraction Forces; and rithms " ..
    .. b u t MY; " ContemPORARy; A R T " ; on that i s s u e; HAPPENs; AFTERWARDs.. :

    ..L i k e there is a Maestro; i n a synfonic orchestra; and conducts; every move; ; U have to; " WATCH " U'r OWN; V i d e o (NO;other ones are included;i n SO )
    and onlyMAKE; " every MOVE "; that will b e DONE;(in the Video)(a repeat,only) - ON the " partition " -.. and it has to b e; ; " simultaneus; ( L i k e ; a Miror , i m a g e )..

    (that m e a n s; ; U will not TRY; to b e; " creative " ; in that; s e X session; as every sex session; has to have some " c r e a t i o n; m o v e ments " (as is in art) ; as woman demand some art through e v e r y seX; session; from the MAN..

    that is i f I am an artist; and if I DO; not want to LOOSE; a n y; of my; ART-MOVEMENTs; (that will go into these pure mediums of the art!s.. ) and my" creations " ; i n t o that; " WOMAN "; B o d y ; ..
    ( but if U love that; WOMAN; U can install U'r art-creations; into that woman; that will BE e n H a n c e d ; l a t e r )

    S O; i f; I want that; SEX; (and PORNO) ATTAMP; b e ; REALized as a ; MiRRoR; to U S; from the Moon..; (at the SHORE;on the EARTH; , in the SiLVER-MOON-Light-as a M i r o r reflector; from the MOON; );

    I will KNOW; that; I would b e relaXed, with that MiRROR-s e X; ; ON the MOON..(by the MEANs of thatCONTEMPORARY-ART-V i d e o..
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    ..brilliant; T i t US.. that " swan " must have COME; from the MOON; -better than a MAN- ; I G u e s s ..; ( every Swan carry that; full-MOON; in their DARK PUPiLs;and in melted-black-Noses..













..some Talks ON; s e X; Erotism and; POROgraphy..

...first o f all, " L i f e is SYMETRic " ..( has a symetry..)..and daily life; and unknown things (or a Film we have watched )   change our;  "  inside  "  ; and " brake " that symetry-of-L i f e; (being-alive) , i  n   US.  ..(and the symetry our BODies, )

...S  O; S p o r t and; S e x; gives us that symetry, a g a i n..
E r o t i s m; atracts US; to  " deep e n " i n; THiNGs. it implies; u s that; there will b e; very interesting things; , i f  w e ; can; d i v e into  DEEP..  i  t  is a promise; o f the curves; t h a t imply US; where, the deep, is H i d d e n..

PORN; i s a  "  Thing  " ; TO; g o, to the; MOON.. (NOT a E A R T H y Thing ;Like EROTicism i s (on the surface of the EARTH )
..and when are; i n the MOON-Light; W E ; feel that; OUR RATiO; u s e s that; MOONLight; t o o..

...p  o  r  n; give  U S; the; " white moonLight of a star-DUST; and when that is gained b y our RATiO;   w e can  f e e l;  that; WE became;  M  O  R E;  " intelligent " and " W i S E " ..( I could think very bright WHEN there w e r e; Nights;  with the moon-light, when I was a C h i l d,,(NOsexNOPorns at that time) ..

P  o  r  n; has that; (comes-&goes) just L i k e; " t i d e " on a shore; with the moon's attraction, o n the EARTH..S O; t h e r e is a " purple-MOON  " inbetWeen-LEGs; ; that come s to E a r t h; (to the shore ) and, in the close service; o f the earth-surface..

( that; m e a n s; w e do not see; the reason; when " tide " happens in the see..but w e feel that; there is a big power to DO; that..
.. b u t  WE will b  e ; very-pleased; i  f  we can s e e;  THAT; moon and it's; "  purple-white-tiny-surface  " ; , has come to,  U  S ..

..i f MOON; has been; a very small  "  magical-ball  "  and fall, e a r t h, to the " shore " ; e v e n  I; (as a man) should PRAY; for that; " romanticism " ..  ..and  t h e " r e a l " ; Thing,
that has fallen to e a r t h ; Although; physic's; WOULDN't l e t, MOON; FALL;
to  t h e ;  E A R T H..
...that would b e  M a g i c  a  l;...  and; it is M a g i c;  with;  THE; PORN;
i f U can watch; the " sunset " o f the MOON; i n the EARTHy-BODY; o f a WOMAN..
....and that will  b   e , the involvement; o f the ; " apart part " ;into e a r t h..
(that also means; our had can b e in our; BODy..so there are NO Dick-heads around.. )

..as a married; couple; U can create U'r OWN;-PORN..T a k e ,a Video Camera; and; Film; U'r OWN; PORN.. ( that; i s, there will b e; U'r MOON; and U'r Earth; and " t i d e s " ; originally with U'r " atraction Forces; and rithms " ..
.. b  u  t   MY; ContemPORARy;  A R T; on that i s s u e; HAPPENs as this; AFTERWARDs.. :

..L i k e  there is a Maestro; i n a synfonic orchestra; and conducts; every move; ; U have to; " WATCH " U'r  OWN; V i d e o (NO;other ones are included;i n SO )
and onlyMAKE; "  every MOVE  "; that will b e DONE;(in the Video) - ON the " partition " -.. and it has to b e; ; " simultaneus; L i k e ; a Miror , i m a g e ..

(that m e a n s; ; U will not TRY; to b e; " creative " ; in that; s e X session; as every sex session; has to have  some " c r e a t i o n; m o v e ments " (as is in art)  ; as woman demand some art through e v e r y seX; session; from the MAN..

that is i f I am an artist; and if I DO; not want to LOOSE; a n y; of my; ART-MOVEMENTs; (that will go into these pure mediums of the art!s.. ) and " creations " ; i n t o  that; " WOMAN ";  B o d y ; ..
( but if U love that; WOMAN; U can install U'r art-creations; into that woman; that will  e n H a n c e ;  t h e m ; l a t e r )

S  O; i f; I want that; SEX; (and PORNO) ATTAMP; b  e ;  REALized as a ; MiRRoR; to  U S; from the Moon..; (at the SHORE;on the EARTH; , in the SiLVER-MOON-Light-as a M i r o r reflector; from the MOON;  );
(with a watch; of  US; at the MOON ;that is happening there)  (as if WE are; DOing THAT; ON the MOON ); ; s i m u l taneOUSly; and that vision comes to US; ;  with the speed o f the MOON;Light.







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    E d e n; ı 've Looked, at U'r works..and I can say, " i t is not the; WORK; itself, b u t; WHO; MAKEs; i t " .. (if someone has that; ARTistic Talent; and lives, in that a r t-BASED-l i f e; then WHATever; H E; D O E S, there is that; " aesthetics " , and art i s ; i n it; somehow.. )

    ( i f U can FEED, that " ART-THiNG " , i n U; then, it might, pass into what; U are MAKiNG..( no matter what the WORK; or medium; i s..D O; U give permission to that; " ART THiNG " ; L i v e , i n ; U..

    (so I say; ; Iam married; to that ART-THiNG; first (in my childhood) .. then; my marriage to my wife is; %15 in i t .. a f t e r wards..I am a man; in marriage; and my wife is happy with; that, also..although she has a %15 share of the total; marriage-cake. because cake is b i g....and true.. .. )

    ( " ART;melted; i n a Work " ; can b e captured; and; b e shown; (artThing in it) I am trying; (I am trying to develop a method for that) , ON that..that is; ART can b e melted; i n an art Work; and there has to b e a method; to; TAKE; that; " ART-THiNG " ; out of the pool (the work); it is; i n;... and EXPRESS i t-OUT; ..and that; I CALL ; " the-original-CONTEMPORARY " ..

    ..I had studied a ; survey; o n; LEONARDO's; Art-works..
    although " they were traditional " ; they could b e; arranGed; as CONTEMPORARy-W O R K s; 4 TODAY's,
    " w a y of L i f e " .

    ( they can Talk; a s S O;(4Today,too) if someone can; change them; only by " cut and pastes " ..Marcell Ducamp's; " mustache " on Mona L i s a; DOEs not make; i t contemporary; i n m y; e y e..don't change the original; J u s t, transport i t;(eXchange) so ; we will s e e; i f that artist has TARGETED; to b e; CONTEMPORARY; -some day-
    ( that means; h e had that; ART-THiNG; i n, him..(living in forever) .. I wouldn't include ladies; 4 art-Thing; because they already, have babies;in and out..



    (traditional or Modern or contemporary; ; does not change; , what; " H E (artist) i s " ..
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    ....

    ... s o, we have to focus on; who are living a s an " art-HUMANaterian " ..
    ...i f U are married; to that; " art-THiNG " ; (priority occured so..) i n U; than; i t shall b e ; nested; in every t h i n g , U, D O ..

    ..problem i s; if it can b e; TAKEN; o u t of the work; and; " B E MADE CONTEMPORARY; t o o.. (other Wise; i t may stay in that art-WORK; forever; and will need these people; who have that ART-THing; inside; t h e m; a n d; ONLY; they c a n; f e e l ; that " ART-Thing " , i n " U' r, " a r t..
    .. a n d e v e n; that, is not problem, 4 the ARTist..to behave as h e ; wishes and f e e l s; comfortable; ..

    ...S O; it is; " the PRiORity " , w e ; can T E S T .. O N L y..

    " W H O ; gives permission; t o ; that; " art; THiNG "; L i v e, i n his/her; " HUMAN "; or Humanity.. (Prior) ..and " l e t ; Dress " ; that Humanity-DOings; of HUMAN's ; although; t h e dresser is ,an " ART-THing.. "

    S O; as a conclusion , I can say.. i f U have that " ART-THiNG; i n U; then, U wouldn't b e afraid; to b e working-in traditional; ways; o f painting..too.. ..&CONTRARy; i f that art-Thing is well-enough; CONCRATE; i n U; t h e n; l a y it; ; in the N a t u r e , of the E A R T H .. ( feel confortable, , " if sure " , that is a bonus..U deserve)
    L i k e; L e o n a r d o; and; many others; , d i d..

    ..although, they are dressed; e v e n that; b e a u i t y; (of the nature) ; they keep that; " contemporary-ARMs " of that art-Thing, i n, them.. ( TO; b e, directly; contemporary; i s not a THiNG; ..i n fact.. but some are; e X p l o r i n g, new ways; t o that; CONTEMPORARY-act; to PULL o u t, " the " ART-THing " ; where ever it has MELTED. ..f r o m.

    http://www.artslant.com/lon/articles/show/30806
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    http://www.artslant.com/lon/articles/show/31113
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    http://www.artslant.com/lon/articles/show/32484
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    ..by the; Way; " Francis Bacon ", i s one of my favorites, t o o..









E d e n; ı 've Looked, at U'r works..and I can say, "  i t is not the; WORK; itself,   b u t; WHO; MAKEs; i t  " ..  (if someone has that; ARTistic Talent; and lives, in that a r t-BASED-l i f e;  then WHATever; H E; D O E S, there is that; " aesthetics " , and art i s ; i n it; somehow..  )

( i f U can FEED, that "  ART-THiNG  " , i n U; then, it might, pass into what; U are MAKiNG..( no matter what the WORK; or medium; i s..D O; U give permission to that; " ART THiNG " ; L  i  v  e ,  i  n  ;   U..

(so I say;  ; Iam married; to that ART-THiNG; first  (in my childhood) .. then; my marriage to my wife is; %15 in  i   t .. a f t e r wards..I am a man; in marriage; and my wife is happy with; that, also..although she has a %15 share of the total; marriage-cake.  because cake is b i g....and true..  .. )

( "  ART;melted;  i n  a Work  "  ; can b e captured; and; b e shown; (artThing in it)  I am trying;  (I am trying to develop a method for that)   , ON that..that is; ART can b e melted; i n an art Work; and there has to b e a method; to; TAKE; that; " ART-THiNG  " ; out of the pool (the work); it is; i n;... and EXPRESS i t-OUT; ..and that; I CALL ;  " the-original-CONTEMPORARY " ..

..I had studied a ; survey; o n;  LEONARDO's; Art-works..
although " they were traditional  " ; they could b e; arranGed; as  CONTEMPORARy-W O R K s;  4 TODAY's,
"  w a y  of  L i f e   " .

( they can Talk; a s S O;(4Today,too) if someone can; change them; only by " cut and pastes "  ..Marcell Ducamp's; " mustache " on Mona L i s a; DOEs not make; i t contemporary; i n  m y; e y e..don't change the original; J u s t, transport i t;(eXchange) so ; we will s e e; i f that artist has TARGETED; to b e; CONTEMPORARY;  -some day-
( that means; h e had that; ART-THiNG; i n, him..(living in forever) .. I wouldn't include ladies; 4 art-Thing; because they already, have babies;in and out..



  (traditional or Modern or contemporary;  ; does not change;  , what;  "  H  E (artist)  i s "  ..

... s  o, we have to focus on; who are living a s an " art-HUMANaterian  " ..
...i f  U are married; to  that; " art-THiNG " ; (priority occuref so..) i n U; than; i  t shall b e ; nested; in every t h i n g , U,   D  O  ..

..problem i   s; if it can  b   e;  TAKEN;  o u t  of the work; and; " B E  MADE CONTEMPORARY;  t  o  o..   (other Wise; i  t  may stay in that art-WORK; forever; and will need these people; who have that ART-THing; inside; t h e m;  a n d; ONLY;  they c a n;  f  e e l ; that " ART-Thing " , i n   "   U' r,   "  a  r  t..
.. a n d  e v e n;   that, is not problem, 4  the ARTist..to behave as h e ; wishes and f e e l s; comfortable; ..

...S  O; it  is;  "  the PRiORity  " , w e ; can  T E S T ..  O N L y..

" W H O ; gives permission; t o ; that; " art; THiNG  "; L i v e, i n  hi/her; " HUMAN  "; or Humanity.. (Prior)  ..and   "  l  e  t ;  Dress  " ; that Humanity-DOings;  of HUMAN's  ; although; t h e  dresser is ,an " ART-THing..  "

S  O; as a conclussion , I can say.. i  f U have that " ART-THiNG; i n U; then, U wouldn't b e afraid; to b e working-in traditional; ways; o f  painting..too.. ..&CONTRARy; i f that art-Thing is well-enough; CONCRATE; i n U; t h e n;  l  a  y  it;  ; in the N a t u r e , of the E A R T H .. ( feel confortable, , " if sure  " , that is a bonus..U deserve)
L  i  k  e;  L e o n a r d o;  and; many others; , d i d..

..although, they are dressed; e v e n that; b e a u i t y; (of the nature) ; they keep that; " contemporary-ARMs " of that art-Thing, i n, them..  ( TO; b e, directly; contemporary; i s not a THiNG; ..i n fact.. but some are; e X p l o r i n g, new ways; t o that; CONTEMPORARY-act; to PULL o u t, " the " ART-THing " ; where ever it has MELTED. ..f r o m.

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..by the; Way;  " Francis Bacon  ", i s one of my favorites, t o o..












..U say; some comments, disappear..

..I save my comments; before; (as a file in my computer ) t h e n, I send them.. S  O; I can send them; again; i f needed..
(..... but some need to " c o m p l a i n " ; in their L i v e s.. I Think..direct U'r complaints; to the things; and get their answers.. i f these complaints, are not f o r  e v e r.. )
TARGETing is everyThing i n l i f e ..

(but we should'nt take PEOPLE; as a TARGET..  -people should'nt b e  "  n e s t e d; i n  " each other..- , t u r n U'r faces to the TOPiCs, ;NOT, to people, or personalities..
Brian, can b e; anything. (and can say anything in any w a y..too..

I am not guarding Brain,  b  u  t , what ever someone DOES; "problem is " can that change U'r way..i  f  U  h a v e   " a  ROAD; to WALK  ";  o n, ( "  that U'  O W N  " )  ..

...if U a r e ; ON U'r way, , j u s t  "   walk O N  " ..(do not change U'r w a y .. )
every one WOULD;  come to where U , C O M E; l a t e r ..  .. (if U'r direction has a Truth.. )
(argueing is to pass , t i m e ; only .. if U are a way from, going somewhere..)

S  O; some  "  attacs "  ; has to b e ; L e f t, to the owner; of the attack..
..and it will go back ; to the oWner; if NO; one catches, i t..
(L i k e, a " boomerang " .. ) and OWNER; should NEED;  i  t ..

4 example; s a y ; T i t u s ; made an attack o n;  m e..

( I will think; HE might NEED that; " what HE THREW at m e " -soon- ; a little T i m e;  L a t e r..I wouldn't take his " shoue " (what he threw at  me) and put it ON m y, foot..imidiatley..
..H  E; might, come and take his shoue ,afterwards to where ; i t ,  has fall.. ..
..because he will need that shoue, later..

..i  f  not; ı can u s e ; i t, on m y feet; or, u s e , it in any w a y ; I can..
(I wouldn't condamn; that shoe,  .. I will U S E, it, instead..)
( that w a s, an other way of giving, and I have to say wellcome, to it, too..)
( nothing has to  b e ;  W A S T E D .. )

..ofcourse; "  his  shoue " ; might have come to my h e a d..and i f it;  D i D ..
..... then; I find my self guilty..there is a shoue coming to my head and; I can not; (hear &see,or feel ) it's coming.. and I can not take away my head -a way from-; i t s ; o r b i t.

( I wouldn't say; HE threw and shot m e on my head..-that might make him a very good-shooter..instead; I will b e angry to my self; why I couldn't DO; (or MAKE) m y , O W N ;  M O V E ..to avoid from that THiNG; that was coming; ON M E..

..but of course, people can talk; O N;  "  any thing  " , and b e " nested " i n, every thing, they;  l i k e. (especially if some OTHER THiNGs; a r e NOT;  N E S T E D;  i n ;  U ..I have to eXpress; these THiNGs i n me; s  o,  I do not have time to b e ; nested;  i n;  THiNGs..       )











  • Murat Oktay Danış
    .. b e e eeeeeee en " O 'D A " şirketinde MODDANiS
    ..when Talking o n; " Computer a r t s " ..

    ..(can a computer ,be our " hand " in art, and is computer a thing we can u s e; as a " brush-Like instrument in art "..-as oldes; used brush as an instrument ; to p a i n t, ..- )

    ...where; I DO not STAND; , with; t h e " computer a r t " .. ( or should I say; Computer M a d e-art.. ) ..

    ..as always; I will; i n s e r t; M Y; D O i n g s, into my way of looking..

    ..AM I Playing, P i a N O; ; when I am, PLAYing-BasketBaLL ..?

    ..Y e s.. I am ;Playing, P i a n o ; -with my TWO-hands and; 10 fingers- ; when I touch; BALL; -and stay in the ball- as I am in touch with i t.. (just Like,when I touch deep into Piano with my hands and fingers but, then; I carry my hands in the air and then; t o u c h Piano, again.. like the ball i n basketball playing..)

    ...T h i s; T i m e; -when I Touch the 3-dimensional-BaLL (that is the keybord in basketball)
    ..I can say; I am PLAYiNG; a 3-Dimensional-PiANO..(because ball is in action there, too ) ..
    ..i f I can; PLAY; a 3-dimensional-Piano; then; , my Brain become a COMPUTER; to P l a y; that 3-D-Piano..(inbetween relations has to b e m a d e by my brain)

    ..and i f I can; ; MANAGE; t h a t PLAYiNG-Piano; ,with, , Basketball-BALL, then; I do not need that; " computer " , to MAKE; that simulation (mathematically) for m e.

    ..o r ; if I was; a FORMAL; Piano-player; (or a regular Music MAKER) ,
    then; I would " b e g " to that; Computer mathematic programs to free; (or Liberate) m y M u s i c; ,to procss -andrealize i t- , i n contemporary-music-art; .

    I , i n s i s t ; ; i f I KNOW; how to PLAY (and MAKE) B A S K E T, then, , I wouldn't g e t to know; (Piano) -or how to p l a y, piano-.. ( to free the " indeterminations " ; i n me; in basketball and in Piano playings .and in my DOings and in art-doing.. )
    i f; I was a graduate from PiaNO; department; my 3dimensional-DOings should have to " e r a s e " , what; I l e a r e d; in school, to m a k e; Piano-Music..(orMUSiC-Piano)
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  • Murat Oktay Danış
    .. b e e eeeeeee en " O 'D A " şirketinde MODDANiS
    ..to continuee..(part 2 )

    ...so what am I , ;saying, h e r e..

    ..an other; eXample..
    I can simulate s e x; -with a woman- to " play i n g , basketball "....
    ..(of course; that i s ; much more e X t e n d e d (huge) ; process, and in an abstract-SYLE; (using Things , and THiNgs-abstracted) , happens there..but ıt can be learned, as " d e e d s " as is WAS; " i n; S e x " .. )

    ...Playing Piano; and making s e x ; (on a basketball field); and playing basketball, can be added as a third; a c t i o n ; I should b e ; D O i n g; there..(as a Tripled-DOing )
    ....( one can say; U DO; nothing (or Uare not MAKiNg; neither3..or U make nothing.. borders may have lost between; and ; what i f, even where are U D O i n g , these all are sliding.. S O; art can wear all that; DOing and come along to the m e d i u m )

    S O; this " triple-D O i n g " ; give a chance to that; , " ART -THiNG " (that should be free to act; -i n me, first- ; and then;; beEXPRESSED; ou t; and b e learned a s " pureDEEDs " " o f, theART " ..( indeterminism shall gain deeds, o f the ART' s .. )

    ..as ı am touching the ball; it has 3DOings (3dimensional) ; I TOUCH; both, 3 ; BASKETBALL; PiANO; and t h e WOMAN.. .. ( these are three things that I m a k e separately, too (so they do not " m e l t " ,in each other) )

    ; b u t e v e n when I DO,any of them; ; I still b e " act in-Triple-DOings " , ( in any one of them ) .. S O; I AM; NOT " a MAKER of the 3 " .. .. I am a DOer; so, " undeterminate " can happen ..

    ..that has to b e; " H u m a n ism " (&human) , too, I think.. (to be able to give freedom, (even2 art) t o happen as i s..

    S O; question i s, ,
    ; i f one can, M A K E; these; " transFormations " ; (betweenpiano,woman,and a ball) using dailyTHiNGs; and , activities; ,(in Tripled-DOings) then;
    .. no need to; i n s e r t a computer i n .. ( computer is not essential; h e r e)..

    ...o f course; computer i s (has to b e) essential, when THiNGs has to b e; MADE; if someONE; can not DO; it ; ; " i n L i f e " ; then..that is the REAL; situation; computer, " has it's ROLE " ..

    S O; we have to look what artist DOES; in L i f e..
    ..4 example; is he married, or has a girl friend..( because I am Married; I have to MARRY; with the BasketBall and; Married; with Piano; too.. tripple simultaneously..and that 3DOings give ;liberty and freedom to my humanity; o r , to that; A RT-THing; I am in TOUCH; with..i n M E..)


    p.s.
    ..what would U say; i f I would say; " I know how to draw " and I am DRAWiNG; m y Lines inTO the a i r ; WiTH; U s i n g a Piano; (a s a PENCiL).. ( i n the basketball-F i e l d..)
    ..would U belive in my, L i n e s; and TRY; to find, , "MY meaning s " i n them..

    or if I say; ;because; I am MAKiNG; m y " WRiTiNGs " h e r e ..( I know how to WRiTE; o r ""MAKE;ALPHBTH " and " writing" is DONE,here SO ) .. so when I make SOUNDS; (in my sound-art-making s); they wouldn't b e WRiT T E N..

    (and so they have to b e; unWrite a b l e ).. ( that has to b e, " MAKiNG SOUND " ;and aLSO; is to take SOUNDs; from every; l e t t e r of theALPHABETh..because Alphabeth has captured; these sounds into it;letters ..and sound in letters have to b e; freed; and undeterminated..)

    .it has been long but; a last thing,additional..
    ..i f u (DO, not) , D ON't DO; , " multi things " , with U'r BODy (I mean to make sports or , a worker U are ) then; U can not read my; m u l t i-DOing, writings.. (that is a Format; to be ABLE; to READ; m y art DOing) .. (an this will e a s e " reading art" ..)

    .. if U are; in U'r brain, -being-rational- then my actings in that; writings, or in my art-works; are to much; eXtended-to-outside; and into , the BODy ; to be zipped; into Brain..in d e e d ..

    ...it has been, to long, b u t, it is compact, I guess.




..when Talking o n; " Computer a r t  s " ..

..(can a computer ,be our " hand "  in art, and is computer a thing we can u s e; as  a " brush-Like instrument  in art "..-as oldes; used brush as an instrument ; to p a i n t, ..-  )

...where; I DO not STAND; , with;  t h e  " computer a r t " ..  ( or should I say; Computer M a d e-art.. ) ..

..as always; I will; i n s e r t;  M Y;  D O i n g s, into my way of looking..

..AM I  Playing, P i a N O; ; when I am, PLAYing-BasketBaLL ..?

..Y  e  s.. I am ;Playing, P i a n o ; -with my TWO-hands and; 10 fingers- ; when I touch; BALL; -and stay in the ball- as I am in touch with i t.. (just Like,when I touch deep into Piano with my hands and fingers but, then; I carry my hands in the air and then; t o u c h Piano, again.. like the ball i n basketball playing..)

...T h i s; T i m e; -when I Touch the 3-dimensional-BaLL (that is the keybord in basketball)
..I can say; I am  PLAYiNG; a  3-Dimensional-PiANO..(because ball is in action there, too )  ..
..i  f  I can; PLAY; a 3-dimensional-Piano; then; , my Brain become a COMPUTER; to P l a y;  that  3-D-Piano..(inbetween relations has to b e m a d e by my brain)

..and i f  I can; ; MANAGE; t h a t PLAYiNG-Piano; ,with, , Basketball-BALL, then; I do not need that;  "  computer  " , to MAKE; that simulation (mathematically) for m e.

..o r ; if I was; a  FORMAL; Piano-player; (or a regular Music MAKER)  ,
then; I would  " b e g " to that; Computer mathematic programs to free; (or Liberate) m y M u s  i c; ,to procss -andrealize i t- , i n contemporary-music-art; .

I  ,  i  n s i  s t ;       ; i f I KNOW; how to PLAY (and MAKE) B A S K E T,  then, , I wouldn't g e t to know; (Piano)   -or how to p l a y, piano-..  ( to free the " indeterminations " ; i n me; in basketball and in Piano playings .and in my DOings and in art-doing..  )
i  f; I was a graduate from PiaNO; department; my 3dimensional-DOings should have to " e r a s e " , what; I l e a r e d; in school, to m a k e; Piano-Music..

...so what am I ,  ;saying,  h e r e..

..an other; eXample..
I can simulate s e x; -with a woman- to  " play i n g , basketball "....
..(of course; that i s ; much more e X t e n d e d (huge) ; process, and  in an abstract-SYLE; (using Things , and THiNgs-abstracted)  , happens there..but ıt can be learned, as " d e e d s " as is  WAS; " i n;  S  e x  " .. )

...Playing Piano; and making s e x ; (on a basketball field); and  playing basketball, can be added as a  third; a c t i o n  ; I should b  e ;  D O i n g;  there..(as a Tripled-DOing )
....( one can say; U DO; nothing (or Uare not MAKiNg; neither3..or U make nothing.. borders may have lost between; and ; what i f,  even where are U D O i n g , these all are sliding.. S O; art can wear all that; DOing and come along to the m  e  d i u m )

S  O; this   " triple-D O i n g  " ; give a chance to that; , " ART -THiNG " (that should be free to act; -i  n me, first-  ; and then;; beEXPRESSED; ou t; and b e learned a s  "  pureDEEDs "   "  o f, theART  " ..( indeterminism shall gain deeds, o f the ART' s  .. )

..as ı am touching the ball; it has 3DOings (3dimensional) ; I TOUCH; both, 3 ; BASKETBALL; PiANO; and t h e WOMAN..  .. ( these are three things that I m a k e separately, too (so they do not  " m e l t " ,in each other) )

; b u t e v e n when I DO,any of them;  ; I still  b  e " act in-Triple-DOings " , ( in any one of them ) ..  S  O;  I  AM; NOT   " a MAKER of the 3 "  .. .. I  am a DOer; so, " undeterminate " can happen ..

..that has to b e;   " H u m a n ism " (&human) , too, I think.. (to be able to give freedom, (even2 art) t  o  happen as i s..

S  O; question i s, ,
; i  f  one can, M A K E; these; "  transFormations  " ; (betweenpiano,woman,and a ball)  using dailyTHiNGs; and , activities; ,(in Tripled-DOings)   then;
.. no need to; i n s e r t a computer i  n .. ( computer is not essential; h e r e)..

...o f course; computer i  s (has to b e) essential, when THiNGs has to b e; MADE; if someONE;  can not DO; it ;  ; "  i n L  i  f  e " ; then..that is the  REAL; situation; computer,   " has it's ROLE  " ..

S O; we have to look what artist DOES; in L i f e..
..4 example; is he married, or has a girl friend..( because I am Married; I have to MARRY; with the BasketBall and; Married; with Piano; too.. tripple simultaneously..and that 3DOings give ;liberty and freedom  to my humanity; o r , to that;  A RT-THing; I am in TOUCH; with..i  n  M E..)


p.s.
..what would U say; i f I would say; " I know how to draw " and I am DRAWiNG; m y Lines inTO the a i r ; WiTH; U s i n g a Piano; (a s a PENCiL).. ( i n the basketball-F i e l d..)
..would U belive in my, L i n e s; and TRY; to find, , "MY meaning s  " i n them..

or if I say;   ;because; I am MAKiNG; m y " WRiTiNGs " h e r e ..( I know how to WRiTE; o r ""MAKE;ALPHBTH " and " writing" is DONE,here SO ) .. so  when I make SOUNDS; (in my sound-art-making s); they wouldn't b e WRiT T E N..

 (and so they have to b e; unWrite a b l e ).. ( that has to b e, "  MAKiNG SOUND  " ;and aLSO;  is to take SOUNDs; from every; l e t t e r of theALPHABETh..because Alphabeth has captured; these sounds into it;letters ..and sound in letters have to b e; freed; and undeterminated..)

.it has been long but; a last thing,additional..
..i f  u  (DO, not) , D ON't DO; , "  multi things  " , with U'r BODy (I mean to make sports or , a worker U are ) then; U can not read my; m u l t i-DOing, writings.. (that is a Format; to be ABLE; to READ; m y art DOing)   .. (an this will   e a s e " reading art" ..)

.. if U are;   in U'r brain, -being-rational- then my actings in that; writings, or in my art-works;  are to much; eXtended-to-outside; and into , the BODy ;  to be zipped; into Brain..in d e e d ..

...it has been, to long, b u t, it is compact, I guess.











Yes John, there has to " o c c u r " ; a   " n e w  a THiNg "; , there ..
" elusive  i m a g e " ..
..and that " elusive image " , has to have ; 4 S i d e s; when turned-canvas..( 4 definable picturings from 4 Sides of a canvas; m a k e that ; i m a g e;  " e l u s i v e  "  ( not a MADE; or realized; a thing..), and that is characteristic, 4 " art happend -occurd- there genuinely..in it's natural; D u a l i t i e s.."  .. ı  t h i n k. ,, too.










Fiona.. " deeper understanding of an art work " ; and r  e a l i z a t i o n s ; that will take place, when  "  i n t e r pretating "   ..is not creating art, b u t, MAKing; a r t.. I Think.
( even if composer, MAKEs these e d i t s; on the teXt..-that is it is not a improvision at ONCE; S O, it is not genuine-art-occurance- )

..i n pre-renaissance; (early-music); t h e r e was, o n l y; bare- n o t e s, written;..NO signs written ON notes; ,to tell how to perForm; m u s i c ( MAKE ).. i f U are a Musician; then, U can perform i t ; they; p r e d i c t..e d .. (U can MAKE; i t if U are a music MAKER.. )

..i  n  my; improvisations, with the SOUND; (not even with the m u s i c art Form-NOTEs ), they can not, e v e n,  b e  written, , as a music partition..( it can only b e listened..-or heard- as if U can; come out of that "  W i T c h e r y;  o f  the SOUND  " ;  , with a MELODy, that could occur (hardly) i n " U'r " ,  e a  r  s.. (that is if " U'r ears can,catch & carry i t ..)

...and it can not b e, performed; again..too.. ( ONE UNiC; record, i;s " the THiNG " occured a s art..d o ing.. )..(of THE-art)..














re : " The question, however was wether the composer must or not be able to play all the instruments; my point is that there is no reason for that. "  T i t u s..

...L e t  me; change that; s e n t e n c e ;  to;
.."  i f  I can " M A K E  " ;  a  THiNG..  then, ,D  o   I have to " M  A  K  E  "   many  T H i N G s  " ..

I can m a k e ; " A writing " (although some say, I can not MAKE a writing ,either) ; using Alphabeth L e t t e r s; ( because I am taught to MAKE; these letters of the Alphabeth; and how to MAKE; W o r d s ; too..) (SO DO I KNOW HOW TO MAKE.. ) (that is  paralell a thing, to PLAY PiANO; notes Alphabeth and melodies words..)
D o I have to learn to PLAY;( MAKE ) , P i a n o, too...although I know how to MAKE a Writing..(SO; musics are an other version of written stories.. )  (that is the question  ?)

(although I both know how to MAKE; these letters (to Draw them) and, I can use a keyboard, instead..to MAKE them; too..   -twiceMakings, on letters-..)

I play; basketball; and ;  "  M A K E "   baskets;  t h e r e.. ( ı know how to MAKE; baskets; in the game   -or, on my own-, too.. D O; I have to learn HOW to play PiANO; besides, that,..(I use;my Hands in basketball too; likewise would; use on the Piano..)

..   L e t  me , come.. to that; CONCEPT..
" MY HANDs  ";    :  , I use them; to MAKE; and D  O;  many things.. ( What has been BODiED; in my Brain )  ; they will pass intrough m y HANDs; to be Transfered; to different; m e d i u m s,  ..(of art)

..i s  there a differance;  ; i  f I am  MAKiNG; something, with my hands..(so my ratio passes into the medium ,too, through my HANDs..)  .. or if I am D O i n g; some Thing;   O N L Y, with my hands.. ..

i f I am throwing the BALL; to the circle;(to be basket) ; am I playing PiANO on that moment.. ..(MAKiNG a THiNG; with my fingers.. ) ..N  O; my fingers; feel and sense, that happening; and eventually, i t shall;  "  be MADE  " ; a BASKET.. ( but I did not MAKE; a basket; with my fingers; b u t I made it with my Hand;'s sensetion; and intuitation.)

W h e r e ; I want to, come.
if  can; MAKE a writing, with a keyboard; that will be the proof ;  "  I can use and control, MY; r a t i o; on a PURPOSE..to M A K E " ..  ( ı can MAKE )

S  O; my hands and; m y fingers; ; need not, be used ," to MAKE  " ; every-OTHER; things..

 ( becuse, i t is OBViOUS; I am  a é MAKER ", ..I will MAKE; practice on one MAKing, only   ..I wouldn't have to MAKE; many things..)

B U T;  I have to  ; "   DO; many THiNGs  " ; to eXtend; that " MAKiNG; ability  " ..
e x a m p l e :
I can say; MY fingers are MAKing; a WRiTiNG; N O W;  b u t,
,,because my Hands , have DONE; to many Things; today,
all these THiNGs and d e e d s; can ; FLOW; into that; ; Writing, right Now,.
..I can MAKE; a THiNG.. b u t; t o EXTEND; that, M A K i N G;
there must b e ; " m a n y  DOiNGs ";  that can b e added to; i  t..(flowing into that Making)

Y  e s , artist; has to u s e; "  his/her  HAND  " ; i n many DOings..
.. b u t ; only ONE; "   MAKing  "  , is enough..
( ... others has to b e;  , in " DOiNG  ; F o r m a t " )..  (to b e used; especially; with the eXtend; process, o  f the Art,  T H i N g..)

i  f; U are a MUSiCiAN..t h e n; I will give U any; instrument; -in  orchestral u  s e- .. ..U D O; not have to PLAY; any o f them; officially.. b u t ; U  w i l l; h a v e to; compose; a Music with any one of them..( i f U are to conduct or write Music to these compositions. )

...i  f  U are; a Natural-Composer.. U DO not; need to b e ; "  LEARNED to MAKE; compositions  " ; in the scholl..  ( C o m p u t e r; shall; write the harmonies; and all these Music Relatives; will be made " realized " ;  , to that "  music  "  4 the Public-R a t i o..to h e a r )

 (or barrow a composition-graduate; to realize; the; MUSiC-IDEA; that has spread o u t; U'r M U L T i -hand-DOings; and a MAKE; "  o n   a ; musical; instrument "  -necessary-, a s an free; improvision- " w i t c h ery " ..

..I my self, would Like to lsten to t h a t, " witchey " T H i N G..(surreal) from original-impro..
instead of HEARiNG; that MUSiC thing-REALiZED..
  ( I can; listen MOZART-REALiZED-MUsiC; ;(Mozart's Music), because,anyWAY;;  he  ALREADy i S ;  a  "  W i T C H "  ..and his music is witchery althugh it seems realized to the-music)  ( or I'll listen to that, DONOVAN's; " season of the Witch  "..or There is an ocean) ..

...itt  is just the ; same. I can PLAY; with the PAiNT; as I can PLAY; with theBALL; with the KEYBOARD; with the PiANO; ec.t. ( All with  (in) (installed into) artist's-HANDs..)

... and IF I can; compose, ,(or MAKE designs); then; I can barrow; (some realizers); or some compute; programers..  ..(I do not need to; LEAN o n; the REALiZiNG-E n t h u s i a s M s ..to b e able;  to ,   ;compose ..(some composers make that.. )

..The M a i n  Thing; is not  to PLAY ( MAKE ); every instrument, in an orchestra..(there are people to MAKE; that )  ;to compose, music.  .. b  u  t   I have to b e ABLE; t  o , " M A K E  " ; improvised-compositions;  (D O; composed-S O U N Ds; -not notes-)  ; with  a  n  y;  instrument..i n t  h  e , orchestra..


(AND; that n e e d s ; this; " artists-HAND  " ;  -that establishes- ;  "   MULTi-D  O  i n g s  "  ..  )











"  L i b e r a l " , in my "  m i n d 's dictionary, " ; is, about, t h e ," RATiO  " ; itself..

Liberalism =" F r e e dom , to , the "  pureRATiO " M O V E ments  " ....
i  f  U can  " M A K E " ;    ; then; "  every thing U can make  "  i s;  L e g a l ..

( i f something can happen   -or b e MADE-;  ; in MY ; -mind- Brain;-RATiO;  ;then, it c o u l d  happen; ; o u t s i d e   too;  in   the PUBLiC... )

..i f someThing, comes to my M i n d; (my RATiO brings it, to my mind, then it can be planed, to be performed; in the Public ) then, I am free    -to DO- ; or "  MAKE   ; that T h i n g   " , freely..

( NO matter, w h a t..if I can MAKE it,  ( if I can PLAY PiANO; because I Learned in the school; i t is VALiD; w h e n I MAKE that PLAY in the PUBLiC..it will be accepted in the Public ; as a Public's-THing..)

 ..........it can take place in the Public.. architecturing..

  L i b e r a l s ; create a W O R L D; that; o n l y; Logical; and Rational acts are free to  " b e MADE " ; .. and Will  b  e ; "  dominant; to MAKE  " ; in the Public; L i f e..(&space)
.. ( that will TAKE U S;  to a WORLD; every thing and move are o r i g i n a t e d; from; ; o n l y,   "   iN BRAiN S P A C E S..abd RATiO; is the main Actor, there..   )

B  O  D  Y ; &Brain, ..are not the same.. Some say; Brain is not a part of the Body..Contrary Spaces .. L i k e;  the E A R H; and , the  ,OTHER-Side-REALms..
SO l i b e r a l 's; Public ;happens and occures  in the Brains; (and then eXpressed outside to the EARTH;  as if they are EARTH-madeThings ),, b u t  these are not; HUMAN; (they are just; RATiO-robots)  ..

...and people who act with their BODies; (hands legs arms; noses, mouths, fingers; eyes, e.c.t.) (&who are truely social , s o ..)  they are EARTHian; and H u m a n; and " Humanist  " ; i f they claim that BODY; o f the H u m a n; has to act;  ; f r e e ly..(even in the brain )

( S O; sports will fill U'r Body into  U'r B r a i n ..otherwise EMPTYness, i n the Brain m a K E; RATiO the basic ACTOR; to both Brain; andt h e rational-PubLiC.. (SO; who does not make sports; are all based i n ; Rational; and Brain-Sector.. a r e A (of tte PUBLic)  )
..and that is T r  u e.

T h e Basic; distinction; stands, h e r e ..( between; the Brain and THE-BODy.. )
..and then, different compositions and; combinations; o f that; "  two  " (above) construct, fashism, comunism, ,Modernism; ,e c t .
Conservatives; a r e; RATiONAL people; b u t they think they are on the; Humanitive S i d e..( they think they are conserving t h e  BODY (for the Bodie's SAKE; they say with their RATiO; but they put borders to what H u m a n is and can O C C U R ..)

p,s,...TAKEN; ,from the "  Letters of the MOZART "  b o o k; page  121..( he is an artist and a little bit n a i v e on ;intellectual-Rationalism  and distinctions.... )
(just kidding) ..













I couldn't find time to read all , but..

..a f e w ; W o r d s, on, being genius.
..i f  Mozart; did not know how to play, ..Piano..
..if genius, i s inside ( or the Gin..inside..) , i t should, come out; somehow.
(maybe not in art, b u t .. it Would.. )

...lets say; He; did not know how to play; Piano,..S O, may be he might have to play with; the Paint; and; should a c h i v e; most succesfull  paintings; e v e r .. (universally)

M  a  y   be; the " brillinat " music we listen Today;  from his Piano; ; has L i m i t e d ; his TALENT..(a Talent for PAiNT) ( because HE is eXTRA-ordinary a person in Music)  ..

... if he did not know; how to play; Piano; t h a t; painting-TALENT; should s h o w itself..
W h e r e; I am to come; i  s;  ; if Mozat's PAiNTiNGs;  a  r e ; shininig in his M u s i C and; people Love his Music; because of  " the paintings  "  in them;
THEN;  , i f;  that " MOZART- h i p n o t i z e ing "  OCCURES; TODAY; t h e n; THAT would; b e ; a  waste..  ( because all these; p e o p l e; that are hipnotized with his music; ; should get the chance to b  e;   "  N O R M A L  people  " , if they should USE; R E A L  MOZART-PAiNTiNGs, , T O D A Y ..  ( NO Hipnotizing s ,should appear..)

..and w e wouldn't try to; " erase " these, affections; i  n  and ON; them.. t o day..

..S O; we can not determine; WHO; will have to ; eXpress; " the Gin " inside; i n which way.. i t should be a waste; to teach; " HOW to MAKE " ; something..a l s o..
S  O;  "  DOing s " in Many WAYs;  ; i s better, I  guess. instead of teaching h " how to MAKE ";    "  something  " ;    " a   THiNG ".. (and a Hibrid a Thing in many ways.. )

..art has to HAVE; iT's, OWN; " W A Y s  " ; of eXpression; s  ..  ; f r e e ly.. and it might pass intrough PAiNT; intrough a Writing; introughMOVEment; ,intrough SOUND; e.c.t. and find it's way OUT; to the EARTH.. ( NO; interventions; to Force them to b e MADE; A THiNg; (hibrid)

..and WE; shouldn't; try to CATCH; it, i n ONE M e d i u m; o n l y .. ; and " M A K E "  i  t,  " SOMETHiNG " ; and PRESENT it as a r t ,  (as   t h a t THiNG;  -i  s  ART-)..

.. l e t  art;  D O; i T's;    "  H  U  M   s " ; ( as it chooses them;  freely both how; and in which medium; i t WANTs to act.. ); ; i  n   any; (many)  M e  d i  u  m..
.....record these; " HUmmings " ; and then, try; to L e a d; them, to  theE A R T H ..as u n i c; and untouched things; ( RATiO; o r conscious ;that know sameThing to;  M A K E ; wouldn't touch them; while they occur spontaneously; and simultaneously, i n the genuine-DUALity;  .. )

...things.. and HUMAN-beings, (if i n Humanism) c a n;  f i n d;  "   i  t   "  (art-genuine) , in these M e d i u m s;  -as improvisations-  (originally)   (if they; are  NOT  M A D E);  these,  "someARTthings  " - SOME-MADES ";  t h e n  ( -and before ;planed; PLANED-TWiCE.. )  ,"  named as art  " ..   ..i  S..  ,  t  H  e  N..

..e a t , organic food; that hasn't b  e e n  planed; to b e ; produced; -and then processed- ..before and  a f t e r.  .. I  Think..










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Irena,

I dislike, " Animation " F i l m s ; as big productons, on the big-White-Screan..

I liked many of them made for childreen, b u t, very short; ( teaching advanced maths of diferrential-Equations ) .. ..

I agree with U; , I become bored; -i f eXtended-.. (stupidity is not funny ) (funy is opposite to drama; and it is a sharp-edge, t h e r e. ) ..and fun can not b e; streTched..although everything can.

...o f course, there a r e, to b e, some; , that can; include, " basicS o f THE art ".. (Like any;medium can unclude, the thing o f the art.. )

SOCiALism; h a s been lefT ; ON- foot..so, these animation films; ; are to establish; " the humanism-path 2-a othobahn.. " .. parallel (or contrary) to those " action " F i l m s; (asCapital i s t, Side) .. ( a balancing effort; , with social-Living-People;(the workers) and Capitalist action-S i d e.. in the Public,,there is a policy,I think.)

....b u t ; t o a " T R U E " ; s o c i a l ist; and ; a " Marksist-Cominist "; L i k e M E; ;t h e y m e L T my "spirt and my Brain " ;
...wi t h ;these; ; "cicled-curvey-circle-Lines-siegedby-colors from every side" ; ..it is a " HELL; to m e ... " (; who installs and r e l e gates; his SOUL; into, t h e " PAiNT where-color is only; in L i g h t-FORM; -not a soup for color drinkers- )
...and in a painting, colors has to STOP; ,and relaX..-reverse hapens in,these- ..(Like is in children mind and brain..) ( I like to make my moves; and produce my color-actionings; in my sport ,,and playing-basketball-match s.. )


































re: Brian    : " I say that where all is relegated to the God of accident and where there is no plan- there is no meaning. "

...that is a " k e y "; thing, U mentioned.

...Should Meaning come into Painting;  with a PLANning; before..( that is an architect thinking; penetrated; into fine arts long ago.. ) (planning of the meaning; before the paint-work and the HAND-Labor of the artist..-or HANDdeeds Located; in the Brain-earlier; by DOings with hands..-  )

..RATiO; or SOUL; (mirored things;inthe  " world;and ontheother-side " )    ;when; penetrating; i n the PAiNT; , there must be a resistance; (accidental-occurings; in and with paint, in the court of theGod.) )

.. if S  O;   ; o  n  l  y,  " absolute-RATiO; -or ORİGinal-RATio- " ; c  a  n;  L E A K;  i n that; accidental, action-field..   and with only that;  "  absoluteRATiO-LEAKED i n the Paint " ; ,  ; U can WORK; -with-, in  t h e ;  Computer-programings..  ..or with computer-programs..  ..S O; " ARTworld-Things "  can evolve to GLOBAL; " REALm-THiNGs "; ,"  automatically "; only by, computer-programs.. and also to that meaning-indeterminated-

..............t h a t, also, m e a n s;
..if U'r   " artDOings "  (paintings) are " genuine " then; to MAKE; them; " CONTEMPORARy"  ; in the REALm's REALity; ; o n l y; a COMPUTER;and Linear-programs; are, e n o u g h.  ( be a genuine artist,then; CONTEMPORARianism; i s READY-MADE..  t h e n, with, computers.. (that is;U do not need to be a contemporary-artist; computer; will MAKE; U'r WORK; " contemporary " d u e to,that global-extend.. in absolute-Volume of a computer..)

..and also;  " SOUL; Wisdom; or RATiO  " ; can b e; ADDED; to these; "paintings " ; additionally; , i f the " base " in the painting; i s " absolute " and so homogenius ..

.. and giving "  m e a n i n g "   ;to an  "  ART-THiNG  " (and it may be a contemporary thing;with the meaning )  ; has to be   ; WORKED; after that, p u r e; " accidental "  ; -relegated-to-GODasAN-accidenter- , "  p a i n t,  &and HAND; w  o  r  k "  .. I Guess.












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    .. i f ;" r a n d o m n e ss " ; will be located (installed) in the science of the " statistics " ( by the serial-work of art decipline s , in art , that will digitalize the perfection)...and e v e n " GREAT a r t " could come o u t ; (more perfect&precise) of that " randomness " ; o f that; , L i b e r t y.. ..
    ...STATiSTiCs; " i s a M a c h i n e; of science " ; and there is (a kind of) intersection; too; between, art and, the s c i en c e .. and " using scinece in art " may occur ,that way , too.. )

    " elevation of rendomness " is important; i n MODERN; H u m a n rights;..
    .. and in " MODERNhuman i s m.freedom " ; Humanism e v o l v e s with both humanism and rendomness..

    Li b e r t y; (to the ratio;not to the Body) is about; THE " THiNG , and " i f " they can B E; free, t o act, ,too..
    ..in TitusVideo , with garbage-BAGs; ; the-BEGs has been ,Li b e r a t e d..O N L Y ..
    ..they are not human & I DO; not pray if they could act like H u m a n. (or as Light)
    C o n c e p t u a l; & installation art; TAKES-place ,because, " THiNGs " has to act; as they -l i k e-;(as they are) ,or in the pro'bable WAYs with their own stuructural-statistcs and probablities.. ; -not as slaves to human ( or PUBLic) -habits )-

    S O; human can b e; " humanitive " i f, "things " around;( U S) ; can b e ; L i b e r a t e d..
    ..ofcourse; the Liberal positions of the " THiNGs " has to b e; studied; (due to the statistics ) ,( because man-made; things has been positioned; d u e to men; and " while THiNGs are slaves; there can not be a TRUE-H u m a n i s m. " ,too.because we are in touch wih these things; i n oour ern-L i v e s.. ))

    .. so I am saying;; " THiNG's-Liberaation; is being worked; by ;conceptualists and installationists " ..and there are many LEGs;to be Libe'rated; paralell, , to reach that " M O D E R N Humanism " ..http://iheu.org/content/amsterdam-declaration-2002(re:Titus)


    .." art- science-and the machine-inbetween " i s s u e..
    ...first " relition between art and science " ; has to b e " LOOKED f o r " ; ( i n MODERism in art) ..

    ..( impressionism, dissolves the boundaries of the figure(figure is an other machine installed in the painting by traditionalists ; and unless it is dissolved); " MODERN-machine " ; can not install " absolute Volume " , in a painting)..) ;..( if modernity has put " absolute volume " into painting; then COMPUTER; can work; i n a PiNTing..becuse computer is a absolute volume-processor.. )

    ... t h e y might say; there were; many w a y s ; to b e; MODERN.. (many modern-Things-appeared) ..i n fact; ,MDERNiTY; i s to devide; the Story of the painting; w i t h ; the NUMBER 4.(devision; by 4) ( that is, l e t there will be installed 4 parts; (to 4 Sides of the Canvas);(Like 4 parts in a Symphony); i n the painting..

    S O; instead of a ; " one GREAT; story " of a GREAT-Traditional art; ; there will b e ; 4 " DEFiNED " s (so scientific) ( r e l a t i v e; d u e to that; Quantum Theory); that w e can; define art a s "F i N E " arts..

    ( if something, can be opened; from 4 sides; then; i t can b e defined as f i n e ..SO I am telling; traditional art has SATAN; i n , i t .. but& flatterd..to it..)
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    ..to continue..(part 2)

    s o ; s c i e n c e ; ; i s; "" fine " too; because, it opens windows and DOORs, to clear breath to these , " h u m a n-beings " .
    Science; b a s i c ally; has to place; .. the action to estblish ; " -enough- d e f i n a t i o n s " "; to those that are; determined " ; or " dominant " ; THiNGs .." before..
    ..and, " Modernity; a s Science " inART; ; has to MAKE definations, o n that " 4 Sides of a canvas " .. (Painting is important,SO.. -4actual Sides;and a division by4- -a realization tool; ;NOT in any arts-..)

    I s THERE; a ; Modern-MACHiNE; (with4sides-touching-4endsOFmyMind) i n MY; BRAin,.......... that I could; " install " i n (myBrain)..if was; ı might call it, THE; L a t i n "ALPHABETh ",, and it has been cencuries, these Alphabeth LETTERs; are being installed into " Human, B r a i n " .. ( I consider, every letter are being writen into, imaginary-cubes; or " squares " ; squares with the number 4 .. too; -2aModernity;in History-

    C O M P U T E R-art..withTheVideos, of Titus;
    ,I begun to think, " it is symilar; BRAiN(there isan absolute space we can not; go i n ) and Computers(absolute space;we can get in with the use of electrons; that is we can go even into, atoms) "..
    S O; computers, g i v e; u s; " opportunity to be in absolute Volume; even ; in the ATOMs " ..(and in the ATOMs; of the Brain, t o o ) ..
    ..Atom is a machine, too..(&Brain i s ) (and a perfact one; both..) so computer (US)acting in Atoms; can dechipher " all that m a c h i n e " ; L a y i n g; i n ; even Human. from all the way from origin to the outer space .

    .. can we say that; art occures, in the molecules , (and in atoms) in our; Minds..first..
    ( then we take these molecules; and; eXPRESS; t h e m ; in art as; behaviours of men's -Bodying-.. ..to test these molecules..i f suitable with life..
    .but I think;; HUMAN; i s a LABORATUARy;of Physics, to " define " a n e w ; particule; to, create Life; again; ;ON )

    Bill, art is a journey " from palete to the canvas "; U said.. I WONDER; i f,
    ; we should; install that palette on the canvas;( too ).
    (that is, let canvas b e; ,both a place for palete and the art,action; itself; .. ) t h e n; would there b e; " open DOORs to; both realms; and to the world of art "; in the same interval; ; on that; surface o f, the, " P i c t u r e-continuous "..
    ... " assosiation of I d e a s " , coming, t h r o u g h Brain.. and ; the reverse; going to "the REAL-REALMs.

    Christine,very f i ne, questions.









.. i  f    ;" r a n d o m n e ss    "  ; will be located (installed)  in the science of the " statistics " ( by the serial-work of art decipline s , in art , that will digitalize the perfection)...and e v e n  " GREAT a r t "  could come  o u t ; (more perfect&precise) of that " randomness " ; o f that; , L i b e r t y..   ..
...STATiSTiCs; "  i s a M a c h i  n e; of science  " ; and there is (a kind of) intersection; too; between, art and, the s c i en c e ..  and   " using scinece in art  "  may occur ,that way , too.. )

"  elevation of rendomness " is important; i n MODERN; H u m a n rights;..
.. and in "  MODERNhuman i s m.freedom  " ;  Humanism  e v o l v e s with both humanism and rendomness..

Li b e r t y; (to the ratio;not to the Body) is about; THE  "  THiNG  , and " i f " they can B E; free, t o act, ,too..
..in TitusVideo , with garbage-BAGs; ; the-BEGs has been ,Li b e r a t e d..O N L Y ..
..they are not human & I DO; not pray if they could act like H u m  a n. (or as Light)
C o n c e p t u a l; & installation art; TAKES-place ,because, " THiNGs " has to act; as they -l i k e-;(as they are) ,or in the pro'bable WAYs with their own stuructural-statistcs and probablities.. ;   -not as slaves to human ( or PUBLic) -habits )-

S  O; human can b e; " humanitive  " i f, "things " around;( U S) ;  can b e ; L i b e r a t e d..
..ofcourse; the Liberal positions of the " THiNGs " has to b e; studied; (due to the statistics ) ,( because man-made; things has been positioned; d u e to men; and  "  while THiNGs are slaves;  there can not be a TRUE-H u m a n i s m. "  ,too.because we are in touch wih these things; i n oour  ern-L i v e s.. ))

.. so I am saying;; " THiNG's-Liberaation; is being worked; by ;conceptualists and installationists  " ..and there are many LEGs;to be Libe'rated;  paralell,  , to reach that " M O D E R N Humanism "     ..http://iheu.org/content/amsterdam-declaration-2002(re:Titus)


.."  art- science-and the machine-inbetween " i  s  s  u e..
...first  "  relition between art and science  " ; has to b e  " LOOKED f o r " ; ( i n MODERism in art) ..

..( impressionism, dissolves the boundaries of the figure(figure is an other machine installed in the painting by traditionalists ; and unless it is dissolved); "  MODERN-machine " ; can not install " absolute Volume "  , in a painting)..) ;..( if modernity has put " absolute volume "  into painting; then COMPUTER; can work; i n a PiNTing..becuse computer is a absolute volume-processor.. )

... t   h  e  y   might say; there were; many w a y s ; to b e;  MODERN.. (many modern-Things-appeared) ..i n fact; ,MDERNiTY; i s to devide; the Story of the painting; w i t h ; the NUMBER 4.(devision; by 4)  ( that is, l e t there will be installed 4 parts; (to 4 Sides of the Canvas);(Like 4 parts in a Symphony); i n the painting..

S  O;  instead of a ; " one GREAT; story "  of a GREAT-Traditional art; ; there will b  e ; 4 " DEFiNED " s (so scientific) ( r e l a t i v e; d u e  to that; Quantum Theory); that  w e can; define art a s "F i N E " arts..

( if something, can be opened; from 4 sides; then; i t can b e defined as  f i n e ..SO I am telling; traditional art has SATAN; i n  , i t .. but& flatterd..to it..)

 s    o   ;  s  c  i  e  n  c e ;   ;  i s; "" fine " too; because, it opens windows and DOORs, to clear breath to these , "  h u m a n-beings  " .
Science; b a s i c ally;  has to place; .. the action  to estblish ; " -enough-  d e f i n a t i o n s "   "; to  those that are;  determined " ; or " dominant " ; THiNGs .." before..
..and,  "  Modernity; a s Science " inART; ; has to MAKE definations, o n that " 4 Sides  of a canvas " .. (Painting is important,SO..  -4actual Sides;and a division by4-  -a realization tool; ;NOT in any arts-..)

I s THERE;  a ; Modern-MACHiNE; (with4sides-touching-4endsOFmyMind) i n MY;  BRAin,.......... that I could; " install " i n (myBrain)..if was; ı might call it, THE; L  a  t i n  "ALPHABETh ",, and it has been cencuries, these Alphabeth LETTERs; are being installed into " Human, B r a i n  " .. ( I consider, every letter are being writen into, imaginary-cubes; or " squares " ; squares with the number 4 ..  too; -2aModernity;in History-

C O M P U T E R-art..withTheVideos, of Titus;
 ,I begun to think, " it is symilar; BRAiN(there isan absolute space we can not; go i  n )  and Computers(absolute space;we can get in with the use of electrons; that is we can go even into, atoms)   "..
S  O; computers, g i v e; u s; " opportunity to be in absolute Volume; even ; in the ATOMs " ..(and in the ATOMs; of the Brain, t o o )  ..
..Atom is a machine, too..(&Brain i s ) (and a perfact one; both..) so computer (US)acting in Atoms; can dechipher "  all that  m a c h i n e " ; L a y i n g; i n ; even Human. from all the way from origin to the outer space .

.. can we say that; art occures, in the molecules , (and in atoms) in our; Minds..first..
( then we take these molecules; and; eXPRESS; t h e m ; in art as; behaviours of men's -Bodying-.. ..to test these molecules..i f suitable with life..
.but I think;; HUMAN; i s a LABORATUARy;of Physics, to " define "  a n e w ; particule; to, create Life; again;   ;ON )

Bill, art is a journey " from palete to the canvas "; U said.. I WONDER; i f,
; we should;  install that palette on the canvas;( too ).
(that is, let canvas b e; ,both a place for palete and the art,action; itself; .. ) t h e n; would there b e; "  open DOORs to; both realms; and to the world of art "; in the same interval;  ; on that; surface o f, the,  "   P i c t u r e-continuous   "..
...  "  assosiation of I d e a s  "  , coming, t h r o u g h Brain..  and ; the reverse; going to "the REAL-REALMs.

Christine,very f i ne, questions.








..I read it ,all..
" Al "  ;o f Titus, : I read it  "  ALL " ..

 " concciousness " ;..I used, that word; too (in my writings) .. SO I have to make myself clear; o n that ocession..

I would like to talk about " subconscious "; instead of " consciousness " .
There is a " creation " process, inside; us, (an ongoing creation that carries; us ahead )
( we can say that has ,an owner ) ;  ( if it is deravative of " something " and then it will b e iNTEGRATED; to, an other thing, ,or  even if there is not a  "  creator-God-; " the creation itself "; has to b e Told as a God; o r  a  " T H i N G " in derivation..

S  O; T H E R E; is  a  "  T H i N G " in us, and derivations happening, ,and we ask;  "  if derivations are happening in us " , then; w h a t ; is;  t h e " İNTEGRAL " T H i N G;  there,and DO; we have to be AWARE; o f  , i t..
(DO we have to know; that INTEGRAL THiNG.. )

...a  r  t, and artists, -in my philosophy- ; ; shouldn't ; belive in a n " İNTEGRAL THiNg " (as RELiGious DO;belive in; -with-ReLiGiON; artist should be secular; or art and religion has to b e separate areas..)  ; in the begining ..
( A FORM   -that is integral-; o f all beeings and derivations..and it existed before every-T H i N g.. -belief-)

..a r t is BASED; o n,  that " derivative-THiNG " , o n l y ..
S  O; it has to be based on; " S p i r i t u a l i s m "  -a s  a WAY; beginig with our cells-; .. ( U are  " spirit  " ; but if U express it; -into art- then it is spiritualism  -a s a defined; r o a d-.. -my thinking- )

..and after that Spiritualism; , l e t ; that; " İNTEGRAL; T H i N G   " ; to h a pp e n;  a  s  ;  " INDIViDUAL-F O R M S;  t h a t ;  c  a n  " differ " ; universally..and L i b e r a l l y; -Liberation to our Atoms and Molecules- ; ; and f r e e ly; in improvisations that give freedom to our cells..

....and these " FORMs " ; wouldn't ; b e  that  "  İNTEGRAL; T h i n g  ",  e i t h e r..
..maybe some "  representing-Forms "  of it..to balance the derivation movements in our subconscious -not under control-..

( otherwise; w e begin to belive in " TO BE CONSCiOUS  " ;  is a REAL; T h i n g; 4 our ; intellects..( but "  to be  conscious " ; is a BELief; and it can not change that " subconscious" THiNG, " forever..  -when we are conscious; then it only organizes &balance our subconscious-.. ) A g a i n; " , derivations o f the THiNG  " ; will b e c o n t i n u o u s . .

 W  H A T; D  O;  ; these; " FORMS " represent, t h e n ..they occur parallell to that; " ATOMiC-ARChitecture " .. SO; if I am an artist, I have to say; that , this " İNTEGRAL THiNG " -for an artist- i s; " MATTER " itself..( Atoms and MOLECULES; i n ; ATOM has a FORM; and Molecues; has many, complex F o r m s.. )

..if an ARTist (an expressionist,modern,and, spiritualist,and an existancialist-existing comes from that Thing-  ), n e e d s  a " INTEGRAL THiNG " then it lays in the MATTER; -not in the skies-.. ( w e ; have atoms and molecules; , Based; in our BODies, b a s i c a l ly.. and fundemental THiNG; to our, M i n d s ; is , o u r ATOMs; that w e can s e n s e ..-or by perception..w e learn these atomic Forms-.. )

while art making; all these; improvisation of that " T H i N G -occuring in u s- " into the Mediums; ;of arts; , there has to occur, an other transfer; also;  into these mediums; too..OUr souls; or let's say it in modern terms; " our RATiO " ..
... and RATiO; comes from these; Atoms and Molecul perceptions.. ..( if we can give our souls into; the paint; t h e n; w e can say; it will couse to these FORMs; i n the art.. ) (Rambrandt could install that; " soul " into the, paintings..as he painted faces-with-souls .. -that means; Rambrandt put his soul into those faces..)

S  O; we could transfer; THAT SOUL -of ATOM-FORMs-; into the P a i n t;  ; ( -and that is melted; in expressionist improvisations- ) then w  e  ;  NEED;  t h a t " COMPUTER " ; to, MAKE; t h e s e; , -melted Atomic-Form perceptions-  R  E  A  L ..

i f it were'nt; computers; I wouldn't take " the miror image " to add, m y; " images " to, pass into; the " OTHER WORLDs " ; that of MATTER'  s..
S O U L; infact; i s the " mirror image " o f the " SPiRiT -from the cells- " .. ( in OTHER-LANDs of the Matter.. )

S  a   y ; I was Rambrandt,  ,and could install my soul into the painting; then how could I turn my soul; into my spirit;... i f not; that; (spirit begins with the cells we have in our bodies )
All I am saying is; ,there must be U'r body; " spiritualized " ;in that; expressionist paintings; and then; U'r SOUL; ; (as a mirror to U'r s p i r i t; ) and if both are in the PAiNT; (painting ) then; they will have to b e ; a r r a n g e d ; -in computer- to these  ; OPTiMUM; (and avarage-)  " F O R M s " as PiCTURES;  ,t  o  the WALLs .. ( for ALL in democracies ..) ..









..I read it ,all..
" Al "  ;o f Titus, : I read it  "  ALL " ..

 " concciousness " ;..I used, that word; too (in my writings) .. SO I have to make myself clear; o n that ocession..

I would like to talk about " subconscious "; instead of " consciousness " .
There is a " creation " process, inside; us, (an ongoing creation that carries; us ahead )
( we can say that has ,an owner ) ;  ( if it is deravative of " something " and then it will b e iNTEGRATED; to, an other thing, ,or  even if there is not a  "  creator-God-; " the creation itself "; has to b e Told as a God; o r  a  " T H i N G " in derivation..

S  O; T H E R E; is  a  "  T H i N G " in us, and derivations happening, ,and we ask;  "  if derivations are happening in us "  then; w h a t ; is;  t h e " İNTEGRAL " T H i N G;  there,and DO; we have to be AWARE; o f  , i t..
(DO we have to know; that INTEGRAL THiNG )

...a  r  t, and artists, -in my philosophy- ; ; shouldn't ; belive in a n " İNTEGRAL THiNg " (as they DO;belive in; with-ReLiGiON)  ; in the begining ..( A FORM that is integral; o f all beeings and derivations..and it existed before every T H i N g..)

..a r t is BASED; o n, only that " derivative-THiNG " , o n l y .. S  O; it has to be based on; " S p i r i t u a l i s m "  a s  a WAY; .. ( U are spirit; but if U express it; -into art- then it is spiritulaism a s a defined; r o a d.. -my thinking- )
..and l e t ; that; " İNTEGRAL; T H i N G   " ; to h a pp e n;  a  s  ;  " INDIViDUAL-F O R M S;  t h a t ;  c  a n  " differ " ; universally..and L i b e r a l l y; and f r e e ly..
....and these " FORMs " ; wouldn't ; b e  that  "  İNTEGRAL; T h i n g  ",  e i t h e r..
..maybe some representing-Forms of it..to balance the derivations in our subconscious..
( otherwise; w e begin to belive " TO BE CONSCiOUS " is a REAL; T h i n g; 4 our ; intellects..(or  as if to binge conscious can change that " subconscious" THiNG, " forever.. ) N O, derivations o f the THiNG; will b e continuous..

W H A T; D  O;  ; these; " FORMS " represent, t h e n ..they occur parallell to that; " ATOMiC-ARChitecture " .. SO; if I am an artist, I have to say; that , this " İNTEGRAL THiNG " -for an artist- i s; " MATTER " itself..( Atoms and MOLECULES; i n ; ATOM has a FORM; and Molecues; has many, complex F o r m s.. )
..if ARTist (an expressioist,modern,and, spiritualist,and an existancialist-existing comes from that thing- artist ), n e e d s  a " INTEGRAL THiNG " then it is in the MATTER; not in the skies.. ( w e ; have atoms and molecules; Based; in our BODies, b a s i c a l ly.. and fundemental THiNG; to our, M i n d s ; is , o u r ATOMs; that w e can s e n s e ..or by perception..w e learn.. )

while all these; improvisation of that " T H i N G -occuring in u s- " into the Mediums; ;of arts; , there has to occur, an other transfer; into these mediums; too..OUr souls; or let's say it in modern terms; " our RATiO " .. and RATiO; comes from these; Atoms and Molecules ..( if we can give our souls into; the paint; t h e n; w e can say; it will couse to that Form; i n the art.. ) (Rambrant could install that; " soul " into the, paintings..as he painted faces with-soul .. that means; Rambrant put his soul into those faces..)

S  O; we could transfer; THAT SOUL -of ATOM-FORMs-; into the P a i n t;  ; ( -and that is melted; in expressionist improvisations- ) then w  e  ;  NEED;  t h a t " COMPUTER " ; to, MAKE; t h e s e; , -melted Atomic-Form perceptions-  R  E  A  L ..

i f it were'nt; computers; I wouldn't take " the miror image " to add, m y; " images " to, pass into; the " OTHER WORLDs " ; that of MATTER'  s..
S O U L; infact; i s the " mirror image " o f the " SPiRiT -from the cells- " .. ( in OTHER-LANDs of the Matter.. )
S  a   y ; I was Rambrant,  ,and could install my soul into the painting; then how could I turn my soul; into my spirit; i f not; that; (cells we have in our bodies )
All I am saying is; ,there must be U'r body; " spiritualized " ;in that; expressionist painting; and than; U'r SOUL; ; (as a mirror to U'r s p i r i t; ) and if both are in the PAiNT; (painting ) then; they will have to b e ; a r r a n g e d ; -in computer- to these  ; OPTiMUM; (and avarage-)  " F O R M s " as PiCTURES;  ,t  o  the WALLs .. ( for ALL in democracies ..) ..













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.. b e e eeeeeee en " O 'D A " şirketinde MODDANiS
W h e n, Talking; ON; " the Human ; TODAY " ..

...Humanity has to b e; in progress, too.. ( we can not wait; on the " original " creation; ,it wouldn't carry us that; m u c h ..S O; this evolution has to take place, in us and in every THiNG; w e ; act, w i t h.. )

....all my univercity L i f e, (16 years in Univercity as a student (in terror times) ;SO I studied art,if I was to stay " student " ..a dentist to my teeth.. ); I studied; " deravatives and integrals; ; L e s s o n s; ,the most..

S O; I can TAKE; any " derivatives " and; then; " İNTEGRALs " to sum, those, derivated s.. ( may be that is thereason; I write; SO; l o n g..derivations and integrals shall go together in a writing , and that is; the base to that; " the aesthetics; " ; of the art's, I belive )

S O; human has to TAKE; derivatives; o f tHE-HUMAN-BEing.. (being Human) ..S O; I say, , " can a man; have a " Wa g i na " ; installed, into his body; .. ( I am not saying some anomalies; that had occured; eXidently.. ( derivatives can be integrated; i n art; but they are; n o t ; " objects in fact .. )
L o o k; there are many composers; CHOpin, Mozart; Debussy; e.c.t.. they have a " wa gi n a " ; installed, i n them; (there are very near females in their Lives ) b u t , it only; occures (as derivatives) i n their, g e n t l , frigile; a r t s..
( that is not; ; there appeared; " wa gina " in their; body..)
( as if they had " wa ginas " ; I said..) (and that is a derivative progress, in Human-structure ing )

S O; art; has to; change; with; the se; " derivatives; " in Human; eXistance..and ART; can COUNT; O N; t h e s e ; " DERiVATiONs " as a progress in Human..; o f course.

( then when accepted, i n art; medium; ,-as an object- then; ,human has to transfer that; change, i n to action; (as every one can " produce " and " carry " ; these; " derivatives " , t o o ..
( Just fallow, the artist, to make, these; " true " and " genuine ", d e r i v a t i v e s..)

L e a r n ; to " install " these; true derivations; -guarded in art mediums-
i n t o; U'r mind and the, B o d y , -somehow- ; of course.



















































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..I agree with Titus.. " b e a u t y " ; is not a fundemantal, t h i n g, in art. b u t, it is a " THiNG " ; can be related; to, " MODERNity " ..what is the i s s u e of modernity in art.
...a Modern Painting was, " 4 sided " I have said. ( all modern paintings try to reach that " 4Side " ; quality, eventually.. )
S O, U have to Use; aesthetics (and that aesthetics is the science of the beauty); and if U are as scientific ,to establish " the BEAUTy " ; than; U could divide; the Topic of the Painting ;into " 4 sides "..

S O; there i s a " measure " to that; " BEAUTy ",too .. (by the means of Modernity,thanksGod..) ( in most beautifull things there is " satan-Smiling "; to us..SO Modernity,gives us the way of TOTAL-pure-beauty ..look at the painting from 4 sides; and try to learn every 4 sides; with U'r ratio; and knowladge..i f U'r ratio (&knowladge) can comprehend, the 4Sided-b e a u t y -THiNG; then; , " APOLLON " -and U'r RATiO; i s in that; art work..
( & Satan did not accompanied to that, install o f the ratio..into art.. ) (my biggest complaint about art; today is; ; when installing; RATiO; and Knowladge;into art; " S a t a n " L e a K s; into, art; and we think; " i t " is; " the beauty " .. )

..SO ; I guess, " B e a u ty in ART " ; functions as that..































































" if U are a "  Humanitarian " (figure) " ; than that is; " U are not an ARTist ,(to give birth to a artistic-figure)..   " ,,.. "

..Francis Paciba.

defination :
" FORMs "; that ,shall take place o n the WALLs; , shouldn't try to produce the match with " furniture colors "  ..  :

" FORM-Pictures " will , make that wall; a " DOOR " to, the Absolute- V o l u m e..( of the OtherSide-realms )
T h a t is; ; : every furniture in a VOLUME(created by architects) ; fills and kills the, Absolutness of the Volume that w e might, m a k e  OUR; M O V E s.. i  n ..
S  O; " F O R M s on the WALLs " ; are L i k e, " ABSOLUTE-S i d e-Furnitures " ..
..then WE; can say; ;if there is a " Absolute-Volume with absolute-volume-Furnitures " O N the WALLs (not every wall but; only one wall in a r o  o m )
t h e n; , we can say, that; " these furnitures in the room; can be PLACED; in that " Absolute -volume..

..o  r   ,r e v e r s e :(if there is a Form-Picture in the room) (we can think as)  these furnitures in the room has come from the Absolute-Side;   -and they are not " earth-made;things  " -  ; so we d i d not fill absolute-Volumes (of the architects ) with the WORLDly-furnitures  .. ( WE humen are; Worldly;(only) in that, " absolute-volumes ", s o .. ) and we can take responsibility of, being " worldLY " things..( because w e are pure things; who give obedience to the God, the Mighty..( the owner of the absolute, too )

" ABSOLUTE-V o l u m e- Furnitures (inTHEform-pictures)  "   -  located as FORMs-  ; in these "Pictures " on the "total (whole) WALL s; , can come OUT; i  n the; ROOM;  e i t h e r to; enrich the furniture location in the room.. ( but they prefer to stay; in their absolute-volume (in the Wall) ..not to harm the ; r o o m .. ( they are polite ;  Like Angels ;as being ngel's-Pictures..

S   O; these ; " FORM Pictures " on the WALLs  " ; imply that; , every furniture in the r o o m; has come from the ABSOLUTE-S i d e..(so they can be taken back  into   -the volume of absolute-  the wall , to E M P T Y; the Volume of the R o o M; imidiately,,
 -SO; our " subconscius " will read that, this  w a y; because, our sub conscious; is the enemy to every THiNG; that occupies-Volume in that room.. -  -so we can say, we people see each-OTHER; enemies;  -as our subconscious thinks underneath-  ; s  o.  -and furnitures;    -if they earthly-made-  ; then they are enemies of human too..-  ..so individuals think they are surrounded by furnitures too.. )

S  O; ; "  FORM-Pictures  " ; onthe Walls; work Like an " other-Side-Cupboard " for U'r subconscioUS;  ... ( just Like minimalist Japon Houses; even U'r bed -to sleep- will be in the cupboard; during dayTime..and cupboard is the wall in the room.. -so there is NO; cupboard in the room..-  -WALL can be; OPEN; only; not to make an other furniture to be named as; " cupboard ).. )

..art; (in ARTHistory) is immoral; (Cynical), to me..because; they are not totally; symetric, and (from the FRONT-only).. every THiNG; in that art; are " somehow bent -or bended- in some ways..to describe the " hapiness " on a face;  ; is a " sin " ..(on moral graund ) .. because; it is human; that can; f e e l  " hapiness " .. U can not; take; that " feeling " from; " human " and put it into a " f i g u r e " and make it; " a " happy figure " ..
..then; when they say; "  w e are not happy  " ;then U might say; but the figure in the Painting is happy, " take U'r hapiness " from that; painting..
... ( that is commarce; installed in art; ,and that is not f a i r.. and " m o r a l " ..that is " mortal " ..

..b    u    t  ; "  FORMS; "  ;  are MECHANiCALLY-Symetric-ANGEL-Like-Structures  "; .....

(that BE; i n the WALL; SO, give us an OTHER ; Side (teritory)  to separate human and FORMs; to eXtend the ; " MORAL-standing "  )

......" secular FORMs"; (-or Figures- that has no feelings); i  n,  (but Forms can be reason -couse- for; feelings who look at them.. )  ( and that i s, MORAL- a -Thing )  I  g  u e s s .















































  • Murat Oktay Danış
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    ..T i m e less; ARTists..I will take , " L e o n a r d O " ..

    ..and his masterpiece; " MONA L i s a " .
    ... I should say, that painting, w a s; ; " testament " ; 4 LeonarDO.. H e did i t all, by himself; ,although he has been in some schools; he is a self-educated, a person..

    W h a t was; in that; painting..everyone say there is a Woman, painted.. ( I have made a long survey on that; i s s u e ) .



    ..finally; I c a me to that : There i s a " UFO "; ( as a flying Object ) in the NATURE; (of the earth ); and there has been put a (canvas) over that UFO; .. (let a canvas on a THiNG; and it will c o v e r ; i t ; -like a car-cover- )
    SO; that , painting on canvas (LAJA KONT; Lady of the OTHER-THiNG) ; w a s a Natural-WAY; ; to hide; " un Natural " ( contemporary ) ; -or super-natural was hiding the ,ALien-OBJECT-engineering -
    (LeonardoWASanARTist; not an engineer )

    ( I could gather that opinion on that painting; when I looked inside; the face..there was an other thing; u n d e r; because, same sizes; and ratios; did not fit..and nature in the backwards; was arranged; for that; UFO;Thing-establishment.. )

    http://muratdanis.blogspot.com.tr/2012/07/murat-danis-conquering-h-e-artist-i-n.html


    ..where DO; I come to then..
    ..Marcel Duchamp; has put a " mustache " on that; lips of " MonaLisa L a d y ". (where he turned his way from; t h e " beauity " . ( leonarDO; has made that beauty; and USED;it to cover, that; UFO; o n l y .. ) ( that means; do not stuck with, that " beauty " thing, G O; O N; with the "ART-THiNG " .. )
    ( M a y be; there WAS; that " Mr.ART-THiNG " ; i n that UFO-machine, -itSelf-, w h o knows..

    S O; DUCHAMP; h a s, broken the way of art DOing, to that Engineer's; " READY-MADE-design-T h i n g s " ; a r e a .. because, there was NO; A r t i s t; -eXcept LeonarDO- ,that was engineer, , and artists has to fallow; ," engineer-designs " to g e t ; that; " UFO-THiNG "; intended and -covered underneath- b y, LeonarDO; ..

    ( i n fact, that ROAD; pointed, b y ; Marcel Ducamp; , couldn't b e understood w e l l; and it has become; that; " contemporarianism " o f the " ordinary-OBJECT ".. ( for the sake of social societie; object should carry h u m a n; that caries,l i f e)

    ..( end of part one )
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    ... continue .. (part 2 )

    ....S O; m y , intend, t o, g e t into art;river (although I have choosen; to be an engineer; ) was; : " art field has to OWN; an Engineer " ; ; (Aready-MADE; engineer;from Faculties of the Univercities..that t i m e ; -asDuchamp has implied, to be,so- ,not a unic one as LeonarDO; w a s.. ), S O; " enginers-century " would be compreHANDed; , by an ARTist; ; & a r t;has to include engineering-i n.. too ..
    ..( . terror;in the Univercity-&country, would take ME to that; route )..

    I would say; it would b e ; e a s y;;if I should go to an art school(4 years) ; to make (be able2) art..
    I t has taken; m y; 40 years; ; to b e ; " An ARTiST; -in READYmade; FORMAT " ..
    What is that; " ready-made-artist " .. Although ; I am not; educated; and taught; to MAKE; a r t; , " ART-FLOWs i n; M e " ; L i k e; I am " a TUBE " ; for art.

    I am; " a TUBE " 4 art; and; I DO; n o t " M A K E " ; a r t -THiNGs..
    ( that is; DOing art, is not MAKEing; art..if I DO; art then, art acts in m e, f r e e f l o w;no catches.)
    ..than if these; " D O i ngs " ; c a n be ;REALiZED; ; as ;" Things-asFORMsOFpicturings " ..to that democracy-Mastered-P u p i l ..Iwill say ,art has been sieged&caught.

    I " DO " ; things in that; 4 other art decipline s ; and SO; art M i G H T; b e ; " S i e g e d " in these DOings.. ..I can only; h o p e; , i f ART-itslef; w a s; Totally; i n, these DiDdeeds..t h e n if I can, REALiZE; some " F O R M s " in them; than I find that ART; w a s; in there; too..
    .. b u t ; t h e s e ; " f r e e-DOings " in, 4 art deciplines; (I study,that 4 deciplines ), include; t h a t " H u m a n i t y " of; the " art's " ; strongly; and p u r e; in the CORE; o f; t h e s e; , " FORMsREALiZED " , eventually..

    the " true master 4 pupil;

    ( democracy-master-wisdom can be SiMPLE;) ( if there is that; WHOLE-HUMANity-ORGAN-SYSTEM; underneath)( has been UNiFied; ( MADE-UNi; b y ; " one-ARTists; BODy " .. )

    " has to be BASEd to ; " P U R E -Humanity-totalSYTEM " ..so artist has to b e; " TUBE " 4 ART.. ( let every thing pass inthrough U'r BODy.. -sports,writing,painting,making-sounds; are 4 DOORs to the Body..-.. )

    S O; that would; TELL u s; " w h y? many of these Artists; w e r e ; G a y " .( including; Leonardo; & Tchaikovsky ,e.c.t. -they would, sa y-. )
    ( because they couldn't have that " engineering " T U B E; -installed; into their; b r a i n s- READy-MADE; .. " to pass everything, inthrough the HUMAN-BODy " .. 4 MEDiUMs; c o ul d; " C A T C H " ; that, " A R T " .. as a " T h i n G ".., )




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    ..T i m e less; ARTists..I will take , " L e o n a r d O " ..

    ..and his masterpiece; " MONA L i s a " .
    ... I should say, that painting, w a s; ; " testament " ; 4 LeonarDO.. H e did i t all, by himself; ,although he has been in some schools; he is a self-educated, a person..

    W h a t was; in that; painting..everyone say there is a Woman, painted.. ( I have made a long survey on that; i s s u e  ) .



    ..finally; I c a me to that : There i s a " UFO "; ( as a flying Object ) in the NATURE; (of the earth ); and there has been put a (canvas) over that UFO; .. (let a canvas on a THiNG; and it will c o v e r ; i t ; -like a car-cover- )
    SO; that , painting on canvas (LAJA KONT; Lady of the OTHER-THiNG) ; w a s a Natural-WAY; ; to hide;  "  un Natural  " ( contemporary ) ;   -or super-natural was hiding the ,ALien-OBJECT-engineering -
    (LeonardoWASanARTist; not an engineer )

    ( I could gather that opinion on that painting; when I looked inside; the face..there was an other thing; u n d e r; because, same sizes; and ratios; did not fit..and nature in the backwards; was arranged; for that; UFO;Thing-establishment.. )

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    ..where DO; I come to then..
    ..Marcel Duchamp; has put a " mustache " on that; lips of  " MonaLisa L a d y  ". (where he turned his way from; t h e " beauity " . ( leonarDO; has made that beauty; and  USED;it  to  cover, that; UFO; o n l y .. ) ( that means; do not stuck with, that " beauty " thing, G O;  O  N; with the "ART-THiNG  " ..  )
    ( M a y  be; there WAS; that " Mr.ART-THiNG " ; i  n  that UFO-machine, -itSelf-, w h o knows..

    S O; DUCHAMP; h a s, broken the way of art DOing, to that Engineer's; " READY-MADE-design-T h i n g s  " ;  a r e a .. because, there was NO; A r t i s t; -eXcept LeonarDO-  ,that was engineer, , and artists has to fallow; ," engineer-designs " to g  e  t ;  that; " UFO-THiNG "; intended and -covered underneath-  b  y,  LeonarDO; ..

    ( i n fact, that ROAD; pointed, b y ; Marcel Ducamp; , couldn't b e understood w e l l; and it has become; that; " contemporarianism " o f the " ordinary-OBJECT ".. ( for the sake of social societie; object should carry h u m a n; that caries,l i f e)

    ....S  O; m y , intend,  t  o, g  e t  into art;river  (although I have choosen; to be an engineer; ) was; : " art field has to OWN; an Engineer  " ; ; (Aready-MADE; engineer;from Faculties of  the Univercities..that t i m e ; -asDuchamp has implied, to be,so-  ,not a unic one as LeonarDO; w a s.. ), S O; " enginers-century " would be compreHANDed; , by an ARTist;  ; & a r t;has to include engineering-i n.. too ..
    ..( . terror;in the Univercity-&country, would take ME to that; route  )..

    I would say;  it would b e ; e a s y;;if I should go to an art school(4 years) ; to make (be able2)  art..
    I t has taken; m y; 40 years; ; to b e ; "  An ARTiST; -in READYmade; FORMAT  " ..
    What is that; " ready-made-artist " .. Although ; I am not; educated; and taught; to MAKE; a r t; , " ART-FLOWs i  n;  M e " ; L i k e; I am  "  a TUBE  " ; for art.

     I am; " a TUBE "  4 art; and; I DO; n o t " M A K E "  ; a r t -THiNGs..
    ( that is; DOing art, is not MAKEing; art..if I DO; art then, art  acts in m e, f r e e f l o w;no catches.)
    ..than if these;  " D O i ngs  " ;  c a n   be ;REALiZED;  ; as ;"  Things-asFORMsOFpicturings "  ..to that democracy-Mastered-P u p i l ..Iwill say ,art has been sieged&caught.

    I "  DO  " ; things in that;  4 other art decipline s ; and SO; art M i G H T;  b e ;  " S i e g e d "  in these DOings.. ..I can only;  h o p e; , i f ART-itslef; w a s; Totally; i n, these DiDdeeds..t h e n if I can, REALiZE; some " F O R M s " in them; than I find that ART; w a s; in there; too..
    .. b  u  t ;  t h e s e ;  " f r e e-DOings " in, 4 art deciplines; (I study,that 4 deciplines ), include;  t h a t  " H u m a n i t y "  of; the  " art's " ; strongly; and p u r e; in the CORE; o  f;  t h e s e;   , " FORMsREALiZED " , eventually..

    the " true master 4 pupil; "  has be BASEd to ;  " P U R E -Humanity-totalSYTEM  " ..so artist has to b e;  " TUBE " 4 ART.. ( let every thing pass inthrough U'r BODy.. )
    S O; that would; TELL u s; w h y? many of these Artists; w e r e ; G a y..
    ( because they couldn't have that " engineering " T U B E; -installed; into their; b r a i n s.. to pass everything, inthrough the HUMAN-BODy..  )










    r e:  "If the pupil chose the master then all would be lost!"

    .I liked, that..( and understand it that w a y).
    "   when " the pupil " A G E;   ;will come ( I call that IDEAL; CAPİTALism ); all the " garbage " ; " trash " will b e swept a way..  S O; in these days all that dilution of everything (Mark has said that) will fill everywhere; and that " m a s t e r " will c o m e to, clean them, all..and that master is " FORMs " as; Pictures; on the walls..( every wall should have t h a t " picture " ..that is every wall should have it's master. i n )

    w h y ; not; " any  master ", ;(had a name)..(Picasso;e.c.t.) T r u e Master; ; is not a human; or a person.. True master is; " wisdom ", or humanity; , or " directness " , " or democracy "  e.c.t. for eXample..
     ( or THE WALL, that has a Picture,-o r FORMs with it-.. )
    ( WALLs (asAConcept) can not be totally; b e known in our subconscious..I think )
    T h e y; occupy volume and place; ,but they are not even a sculpture; SO WHAT are they..
    T h e y are; ,aquarium s to those; " ENTiTiEs; ( b e ings; eXistance s ) from outer space ,but coming to the world from; " A b s o l u t e SPACEs " of the Realms..

    ,,i  f  SO; , every WALL; will b e come;  a  MODERN-Sculpture; ( or sculpture-MODERN ); i f  WE; can s e e; these perfect FORMs o f (ANGELs) ,i n ,( on ) them.

    Religions was to, guard (keep) the l i f e-creatures; (that God has created) ,..that river still can run (thanks God) b u t ; we put to much weight on that, r i v e r..even art was based; on human, -and nature on the earth-, itself.. F i g u r a t i o n, o r, describing, is to be beding; to the nature ..a  r  t   has to  b  e ;  s e c u l a r; in that way ; and;  , that secularism; will be ex a g g e r a t e d;  i f, " contemporary " art, t h i n g s ;; were to carry the; " W e i g h t " .. ( if human carries; every thing, then; Things of the contemporary will carry, t h e human..   -and humanity, and society;too o f course-
    ..
    to be able to, get into something, and make it ; " carry U " ; would not, change, , if U were; carrying ; the " wrong " ..( here, Human shouldn't carry ;any thing..something c a n be flowing, i n H u m a n; but; human wouldn't say; ,I have captured that what is flowing i n M E..I should eXpress i t in free-improvisation at ONCE; and; l e t  ART; c a n ; C A T C H; that;  T H i N G; F  L  O  W  ing,  i  n,  M e.
    ( if U hold it;(catch) i n U; then; " U will begin2CARRY i t, and, although U may eXpress out; what U have " caught " ; (a figure) ,it wouldn't b e ; " thatART "; W H O  CAUGHT; i t..
    S O;  WE; can not, s e  e;  " WHAT ART; i s " ; and how does, IT; a c t s..( due to what it really  is )

    ... for ExAMPLE;
    ..w h y DO; I try to; " iNSTALL " that,  " W A g i n a "; (OWNed by,woman); i  n t o my, B O D y; ( SO it can eXist in my Brain,and e.c.t. ) ..
    .. when I DO; that; , it is obvious;; I can not make (and have)  a " genuine " W  gina " ; i n my Body (becuseI have the opposite-Thing ) (it might be useless in life)
    ..i f I have the, opposite-THiNG; then I have ;  a place to eXtend that " Wa gina " thing..in my body..(toUSEitİNart)

    ..."  USiNGit, i n ART  " ..( s e c u l a r l y )  ( that means; a THiNG in m e -as I transform my body to it, somehow-  ;-so that it is not " contemporary-art-Thing "; as a thing outside-

    SO; I think there is a " point " , here.

    ..if w e (artists) can install; organs (that we DO; not have;in fact; ; or we have the opposite-ones, -any organ-  -or " ANY-ORGANisM s "- )  then; that kind of " CONTEMPORARianism " ; (canHAPPENs inUS ) W O U L D;  , " s  T  i  L  L;    B  E;   humanitive "..
    ..an d, that may; " c l e a r " the "contemporary " ,cold and Dark;and mathematical,  S i d e , that occured; i n  a r  t..(NOWaDAYs)

    ..all has an E N D;   ; "  i n  the NATURE; o f the;   artist   " ..
    ...  my perspective; i s, ; all these " ism s " of art-History; has to b e ; installed; i n t o ; " t h e  artist "  ..and all art hasTObePUT;into,PAiNT;and Picturing..ofFORMs,onlY.









    Eden,
    ..number is that much, because; they are serial works; ( and that is the habit o f; cinema, too..)  ..( and of course, d e e d s; are multified; by other decipline-DOings, added..in the paint )  .. b u t ; I have to say, , when serial work; , there appears; unexpected; t h i n g s, i n the PAiNT..  .. and some o f them; may b e ; p e a k ..

    ..when I begin a  "painting work SESSiON " ..; I paint every day; 20 papers (canvases) +AcrilicPaint..(100X70cm ) ..5 days a week.. that makes; 100paintings;  a week.in nearly 3 months; I reach; a 500 pieces..and that is,   "  to " scrape " the DEEP  " ..  ... and then; the session of the year; finishes.. t h e n;  turning every piece and looking for; the " n e w Things " that  HAD; "   a  p  p  e  a r e d  " ; ; (or occured ),  i  n, paintings ..

    ..and choosing the best paintings; and the best; " S i d e s " according to that; " if 4 sided; indeed " ..  ( how perfect every 4 side, i s, then, that painting is, perfect.. )  ( to say one side,i s perfect; there has to b e, these " 3 other perfect sides " ,  t h e r e .. ) and that; process; i s more tyring  ( and time taking ),, then; the paint expression, process..
    "   I  c a n,  s  a  y  ..  "   ..






    Bill, I WONDER; i f, Painting can; ; i n v o l v e; (install); all other, a r t s ,  i n .

    ...H o w can, " Painting  " ;be,  install in ; " cinema " art.. .

     ..I go to cinema, to see ,i f " GOD " is; F L O W i n g; i n these,  M O V i n g-pictures; ( melted with light)....and a good and creative cinema, has to have that "God-Thing " ; i n , it; and flowing.. ..I like,every artist, but, I like Tom Cruise, too,although NO; oscar has been given to his; " ART " .. but I can feel; " that God-Thing " flows, w h e n; HE;  a c t s..  ( they would'nt give oscar to somebody, that; c a n ; make,  "  God-Makes his moves in him " ..

    ...M y  art; DOings; Paintings; and e.c.t.; are, L i k e that, I guess..
    ..because I am an engineer, I am a " true " designer.. ( in fact not a painter from school ).. WHAT; I MAKE;  a s , an Engineer , i s; , " naked-NATURE " of  the art..(that is; they look at the nature; and paint it, I mean the natural object is there..but I have to produce  that bare-nature; f i r s t, then; I will turn it into art.. ) (They put sunlight into their paintings taken from the sun; and the nature created; but I have to find s u n; from my; inner energy, o n l y ; from my multi-DOings; ..-although it has come to me from meals,, from sun ,too)

    ..it is a melted; Mixture; ( of the nature; and HUMAN ) ; a complex  " solution " ; that I produce, as a n ; engineer.. A "  m e l t " that can b e used; to; MAKE; and be transformed; in t  o  ;  ART;  -using some thecnical, process-..  ( and every thing needed for art are melted; and m i x e d; homogeniously,in that ,melt. )

    ..S O; where DO; I intend to come. if I can ( produce ) that kind of a " m e l t " (semen of theART's ) ; then; ı can see that;  art's basic creation-character; ; w a s; that;  : " in creating " every thing, are i n (HAPPEN)  " b i r t h " ; situation.. (positon) .. ( THiNGs come inthrough o u t ;  from that OTHER-THİngs ..S O; ALL art PROCESS; has to b e; a  BiRTH; where Things tAKE; b i r t h, in the, THiNGs..

    W  h e  n I begin to, precess ( the birth process in fact )  in ;my  "  MELTs ";   (where God-flow;  and soul; and RAtio, e.c.t. are,  in them, too.. ) I can capture; many " n  e  w;  Paintings " ;

    S  O; there Occures; say 40 " P i c t u r e s " ; in a session..
    ( these are occuring ,just like; I am w a t c h i n g ; and directing; a movie; i n the Paint..with 40; " SQUARE s " ..Like ,in a, f i l m; camera..

    W h e n;I first;made, that, I thought; t h a t;  w a s, " animation " film, made; intrough; p a i n t..with; " REALm-Creatures " .. it was fasinating, eXciting, and U n i c ; a THiNG;  t o , L i v e.

    ..of course; I am not; telling that is a new way to make, cinema..( but painting can e  v  o l  v  e; ;l i k e; cinema.. ,can that; give anyThing; to; a r t , (or painting) ..; the " Wa g i n a "  of  A R T;  ; I  HOPE.. where, creation; should b e ; coming from, and births; of n e w  D E S i G N s; one by one..WOMANofART; gives births...(that will clear the design process o f the arting; that is stuck; in arts, nowadays.. )

    1-..p e o p l e can pick, m a n y;  nearby-designs; ( similar but a little changed )..
    2- Printers can press these;multi- o r i g i n als; NO needs to; " limited editions " ..
    3- ART school graduates; can apply their; talents; o n these PURE; and u n i c designs; ; when carrying them; into PAiNT-medium..( as has been taught in the school of art-MAKing )..
    4- A   " designer-CLASS  " ; o f people, can have J o b s;  to make n e w ; designs; from; t h e s e;  "  M E L T  s "  ..
    ..5-  "  M u l t i; designs  " ; a s ; " FORMS " on the; WALL s will make the society; b  e  M U L T i; .. ( that is we have to memorize, the basics of the art; if we place famous; art p i e c e s; , o n walls; ; and that wouldn't b e  n a t u r a l izing; the M i n  d s ; in multi, ways; .. )
    e.c.t.

    ..canU not say; I am not looking inthrough a " REAL " C i n e m a-camera, ..  I wonder ,i  f.. ..















    ..I do not know, if anybody i s listening, b u t,  I have to lay; m y,  " v i e W s " ..(because, I began with a puzzle and that puzzle; has to be solved , b y me..( o n l y )..

    ( Daniel has said, D O; U'r ; " masturbations " ; in U' r room, ..but I have  to tell, him; I can be with 5 woman, simultaneously ..( of course they wouldn't know  e a c h; other..) ..  "

    That sentence  "  is written because; I can say; there are "  5 persons  " ; working in m e..

    1- a writer, that can write any time he sits to write..
    2-a painter; ;that begings to paint; -with only bare paint- ; and painting will be fineshed; with only that b a r e , paint; ;in 2 minutes.. ( no lines added..)
    3- A Pianist; ; that can, begin to play; " impro "  ; any time..
    4- A Dance maker;  ;a dance meditator;  in S p o r t  field..
    5- and a Engineer; ;that uses the methods of engineering, in 4 art DOings..

    I f U have; "  A DOing " ; " or a MAKing " ; then U are paid for it and; U make a life with it; U make a home ; a Marriage; to b e able to DO; that; proffession..    .. ( this is , every man needs a woman;   to complate his body &brain; ; t o  MAKE; his J  O B ..)

    S  O; if I am DOing; these 5 ; " DOings " ; then; I deserve; , to get help; from these 5 ladies.. ( lets say only to complate by BODY; &Brain..i f not; ; then; ; my body &brain would diminish i n t i m e..  )  ( I think I can; be with ( a painter, a writer, a sport maker, a musician, and an engineer; LADY )..and they would not say that I can not accompany,  t h e m ..with their profession..

    S  O;  did I DO; that.. if I was; i n U.S.A; maybe , I would be DOing, that .. and because there wouldn't b e; any one around; DOing 5 different- THiNGs; ; -with five TALENTs- ; any Lady wouldn't  dare to say ; " b e M i n e  "  .( .-U; be, part of my JOB; too, when I am, doing that for U..then I would ask her, show me U'r   " 5-talents  " ..- )

    S   O;  W H A T; did I  D O.. I married; a G i r l; ; and she tried to b e; these; " 5  L a d i e s  "  ..( S h e has to produce that 5 woman body and Brain.. w e l l; it has been; 25 years; and, s h e did; the best; s h e , can ..

    D a n i  e l; , DO; U still, think that; I am a " mastrubator " ..or am I; a person; with  " 5-time-MARRiage "  , and that DOes; " THiNGs " ; "  5 T i m e s " .. ; more than; anyone..and I have a c l a i m..5000 Paintings; and 3000 Digital Paintings..( I would Like to meat a painter; did more paintings than that.. ) ( same, for writing; number of ; SOUND-sessions; on CD s..every day 500 baskets; in the basketball field; for 50 years.. ) e.c.t.  people make many different things;  i  n  L  i  f  e.. ; and artist has to put them all, i n these, different art decipline -DOings..

    ..and if it is asked;  M E;  ,"  W  H  i  L  E;  D O i n g;  THESE; all; , how many woman; has to be with the multiDOing artist  "  ....  I  S T İ L L;  have to say,  O n l y ;  o n e..
    ...because; ONE WOMAN; BODy; should COLLECT; m  y;  "  5  different-BODy-existance  " ;   in to  "  ONE; BODy   "..  that is, ,t h e   " BODYofTheARTWork  ".

    ..that also means; artist  "  may be   "  in 5 pieces; but; ARTwork; h a s to  b e;   m a d e; "  O  N E  " ..SO, I wouldn't say I am 5 artist..( actually I am zero, artist..b u t if I realize my DOings, than I will b e; 5ARTist,  t h e n, because art needs these 5 DOings; essentially. and I D i d, them, simultaneously,though.)

    p.s. because, there has been,  "  a  l a c k  ";   "o f 5WOMAN; BODY; 4 the R E A L i  A T i O N s "  ;  o n c e.. (that is, I did not USE 5 Ladies to make my every DOing-REAL ,till today..)
    ...t h e n,  there  h a s to b e; " LOADED " ; a  big ;" REALiSATiON- F O R M -SSTEM  " ; ; to  m y; " W H O L E " ; doings.. ( as has been dONE, ..for years.. )

    I have a overall-FORM-REALization; system; that happens in; computer.. b  u  t ; still ; I need these " 5-Ladies ", to m M A K E; my former DOings; b e c o m e;  4 the PUBLic..

    I  T h i n k, that;  w a s;  UNiC..

























    Eden,

    ..what I was telling,is not, that; " origial art -in paint- " , a  g  e,  has passed.. ( we are " WORLDians " ; -existed in the World-  ; and ;art  -where-  eXists i n o u r; HANDs ,and it has a situation ; Formed with WORLD..and it is holy ; as every " creature " -and creations- in the world ..  ( but how can a living thing b e ; P r i c e d..it opens a ; dangerous DOOR; i n t o  " humanity " ..

    ...My; works can not be made again; 4 example..( as reproductions, using paint ) (all art History' s art works can be made; a g a i n ; because they have been; "  M a d e   " ; too.. )  ..when I say, "  improvisation; at O N C E "    -and, a vey quick and a fast; O N E -  ;NO o n e can not MAKE; them, if they can act; " that fast " ; as I  w  a  s..

    S  O;  originals; -of mine- can not be " m a d e " again..
    ( L e t  me make; an asumption; and say; " e v e n; I did not DO -MAKE-; them .. it was GOD's hand, ; that worked, them..-I let " H i s " HAND; b e , i n my ; HAND; and i n my BODy ..  S  O; what is the  " p r i c e " 4 that; W o r k ..t h e n ..
    .." T H A T " a r t  is being PRiCED; -in that value-  ,i n the art-Market; TODAY ; b u t there are; not; " S U C H works " ..as GOD; might have, m a d e.

    M O N E Y; is to,  make REAL..but to " make real "; is not what GOD; promises..
    i f ; art has to b e; Priced; " with MONEY " ; then, ; REALiSATiON; o f art has to take place there in that " iDEAL; capitalism-architecture i n g  " ..

    T  h  e  s  e ;  very  B i g;  PRiNTs;  ,(Covering all the wall actually ) are; to COMPLATE; t h e, A r C h i t e c t u r e,;busines;  ; concepts;  L i k e;   t h e balance; to that; " WALL Volume " -taken from the Worlds, atmosphere-..  .. WHAT; my PRiNTs recomand; are "  views from the " OTHER SiDE " ; i n the WALL...and they open a SPACE; i n t o ;  the WALL s ..s  o  U can WalK;  "   inthrough a  W A L L  "  .. -that is architecture, open space s, e v e n  as they seam to make; WALLs, to stop people.. .. -

    ...Say that; "  my original paint works are occuring -or happening- in the H e a v e n  "  ..and they H i d e;  ; these  OTHER some " OTHER SiDE " ; REALMs, i  n  ..(too )
    ..and I can; REALiZE; t h a t;  " OTHER SiDE REALMs " ,in the computer w o r k ..
    I can produce thousands o f picturings from my " ONE Original PAiNTiNG " ..( only using , "  cut,turn strach, miror image; and PASTE "  .. SO this compıuter work happens in these; OTHER WORLDs.. no add of color or a line..)

    ..that is; "  One Original; WORK; is a DOOR  "  to , it's REALM; -that can be REALized- ..and means, THAT ORiGinal, i s; ( thousands of digital design' s  ),  READy-MADE; a T H i N G ..
    ..F i r s t these; realizations have to b e SOLD; than; t h e " PRiCE " of that, o r i g i n a l; will  b  e;  " C  l  e  a  r  "  ; to, b e Priced..


     ..so there is a question..DO; original works hide, a REALM; behind .. i f not ; sell them first; a s a " F r u i t "  happened; ,on the W o r l d ..








    Murat Oktay Danış
    .. b e e eeeeeee en " O 'D A " şirketinde MODDANiS
    Mary,

    ...mine are contemporary ,conceptual , expressions only ..( not for daily , j o b ) ..if ,COMPANies (or Holdings ) might be interested.

    .and if they are, ;then; ı think my " works " and theories; will b e , u n i c; ; " o n that PROJECT; ;and; will b e USED; i n new , strategies.. ( and of course, they will bring a n e w; defination, to that " humanity " concept, and ; how it has to flow.. ..) ..I l o v e to tell, b i g speaches..my imagination is to provoke, future-politics, m o s t l y ..

    I can make; every thing; " A big story " to tell; ( so every one can live them, n o w ) ,,so everyone can come to that; " REALiTy " , s t a t e, s o o n ..( may be dayDreams in the sun, has to diminish, a little; ; and moon Light w i l l be seen, in dayLight ,too- - then, our eyes can feel that sun effects us much ..- .. )



































    I read the others..

    S O; Mary, m y situation; -inthese days- are similar to U'r s.


    I bought a HP25500 1.5 meter Plotter, too.. (second hand 14 000 Dolar s.. )
    ..very f i n e; Prints..( exelent..    )

    ...to talk on " prints " ; I have to say some,  B a s i c   s..

    1- ART's genuine nature, is ;  "  it makes things small  "  (and intence,dense ) .. so they (things) appear i n art work (genuine art work ) much more smaller, then they are, even they are; in the world....( Dali paintings are incredibly small )..( in my theories; I would say they are shrinked because; they were put in a Cube; that was; " 4 Sided " .. so every thing is with the size of a 1/4 ..of the actual..

    2- because, the genuine art is, " very small " ; they need that; "  magnification " or WE; can; say " surreal things of art " h a s to be ; " MADE B i G " , to b e REALiZED; to this world we are living i n ..( Public, I mean )..
    ..apes and GORiLLAS..B  i  g  can give, REAL; f e e l i n g s, -or the feeling of real-  b u t; if   " genuine a THiNG  " ; when it is biger;  ; it is moreREAL, than )

    Looking from that perspective; ; if U'r paintings are genuine; w h e n , They c  a n; b e ;  biger; (in the Prints ) they will b e;  MORE REAL;  e v e n ; for U' r self..-the artist- too.. ( because even artist does not see, "the real THiNG " when, working; and even looking   ,after.   )

    S  O ; U can measure, the, " genuine quality " of U'r works; Unless U make them,  more bigger; and they still i n c l u d e;  that  " being in more-real situation  " ,power..

    ..I don't think; there has to b e; limited editions like galleries; d i d..it must b e UNLike; the former ones..they have to be fixed; at a " base " price.. S a y; 1000 Dolars; or 100 Dolars.. same size same painting same price..always.  ( I am still thinking on these )

    P  R  i  N  T; s;  h a s to; b e ; B i G.. (that is a distinctive point )..( nowadays; B i g TV's are, o n; even i n sinema; we like to s e e; B i g;  T H i N G s  ) .. (and I sit infront so that they can b e bigger ,and I will turn by head to fallow them)..

    ..in daily; life we have these, " L i t t l e " things, to see; and find around, every where..(but they are dense;Like genuine-art-Things .. too  (..world things; creatures, are genuine art things also in small sizes,,..but things and buildings we use are, b i g ..)

    ..m y, Favorite, size ; is    ; 200cmX150 cm.. (that is nearly a DOOR size..that 1human can b e put; or be comprehanded;  i  n  it..( installed with the whole body into i t .  )
    b   u   t; this S i z e, still i s a Defined; S i Z E..b y the deliverer..
    i t  m u s t ;  BE;  E Q U A L; to  the  WALL;  S  i z  e..  of the architects; WALL..

    ..o n the ; Other hand; , art has STAYED; ;    ; ( too much)  in the; " human-wishes " side.of the Job..art has to be; carried; out of "  HUMANs; LeaGUE.." ( artist has to b e; all that , Whole-HUMAN -THiNG, .. SO I wouldn't b e a begger to who comes to a gallery, to tell m e, what are their humanative feelings;assesments;  on my art things..

    T  H  A  T;  i    s, I will, MAKE; my-PRiNTs; for; architectural BUiLdings; and, interriors.(as projects to those buildings..not 4 human needs.. ) and, if they say, Y  E  S; ı will, locate that; Print, as it will b ethe part of the ; BUiLDing..

    ..there are details; ; how; "  my Project", will go on; with my; " art works  "  and verious SYLES I produced.. (some other Format s on Picture Style) ; or " produce; m y;  a r t "  .. ..interactively with these ; proJect..

    ..that means , "  artist-as a PRiNTER  " ; has to TALK with the architectures; and with their-BUiLDiNGs; ( Artist wouldn't beg for a mercy ) and  Prints are the " security guard " s to defand; Locations and spaces; empty for, , e f f e c t i v e ;  and  "  E M P T Y "  use, to e v e r y, " i n d i v i DUAL " ..(even they w e r e ;  together    ..i n a Building or a saloon..or a Room..) ( that is the REAL; reason that art, will take place, i n the PUBLic..   )

    S  O; I am working o n a new FORMAT; (  that w e all shall locate oursleves in  i t  ) , in a new, friendly-challange .. ..not like the; former-one-systemof the galleries..(aHibrid to finance sector.. and making artist-slave; to make  " the basic sample "  to the  "  o t h e r s   " .. ) )









    I could not; read it all y e t, ( I did not prefer to DO;  that yet ) it seems Mary begun to talk here. Mary's    " romantisism and the r e a l " ,has stuck into my brain .

    ( or,,, I have an idea  stuck in my brain, about that;  " romantism & realization " ; relation..-SO; I can not make more readings-  , to ask to her, -if there is a short cut-, she knows ) ..
    ( or DO; I have a short-cut, to the Problem..)

     ( I am a scientist, too, -chemistry- but I do not know if Mary has political standings; and   ; -and standarts- ( does she stand " politic " instead o f acting i n Scientific eXperimental; talks, i n art field. )  -that is ; is she a scientist to install science into art (in art work manners ) ;  ; or is she a scientist; ;   to carry art-doings into the (science-society- " p r e c t a c e  " )  -



    Mary that is the, question.
    .." before mentioning; " romantism "  in art history , let's talk  " who is romantic-artist  "  ; ; (i s s u e).  L e t me tell how I look. Romantism i s realted to RATiO; ; ( " the age of enlightenment "  ; was parallel to RATiO; usage of the men,, ) and in enlightment-AGE; people were able to use their; Ratios and they were; v e r y Rational persons ; that they even; MADE; " RATiO; could w a l k  " ; i n that; CAPiTALism..
    (a wild one, because RATiO; has made a hibrid; w i t h, being clever; too, alREADY..  )

    I think romantic artists; ; (Like Robert Shumann; my favorite ) should have to give their; " RATiOs " , into their art; (music) .. ( that means When U install all u'r Ratio; i n t o , art; ) that is " U LOSE " " U'r "  m i n d ..  ( now U'r RATiO; has m e l t in ; that, " romantic art THiNG " -or in the SOUND- ;


    my main Idea:   ...  and ALSO;  then thatRATiO;(that artist has Lost )  will  B E;  M A D E;   " the FORM; o f that REAL THiNG  " afterw a r d s.. i f  breth was enough to REALize; it ..Romantism has to b e fallowed by REALism s, afterWards..

    ;b u t art History based-Realism o f f e r s;  ; , -tailorMade ; purchased; romantic and REAL W o r k s.. to ( say )romantic-school artist.. -but they did not melt (install) their RATiO s; into the art-Medium , i n i t i ally.
    I guess; U can fallow..

    W  H A T; I am to come is; ,if someone is romantic in the art o f the PAiNTing; then; his/her; , " RATiO;   ( -although ratio in our Minds, is untouchable; with being the mighty-holy-property of the capitalist's ) , has to b e meltedALL;  in the;  P  A  i  N  T -m e d i U M....

    ( that is an important, step;  and serious, ATTAMP,  to DO, SO..-LOSE the RATiO- ) remember ROBERT S h u MAN n; , because H E; almost LOST; his M i n d ; HE; Jumped into the, paint -water- of that REN-River,,ONE N i G H T;  ,, and in the morning ; HE; was found -may be alien mind s has leaked  into his head; who knows-  taken out from the river; and then; put into; ; a RATiO-Hospital; (that is, he LOST his Mind, when doing that Flow in the river.. )  ..........of course, I understand; R.ShuMAN n; the other w a y..H E tells to my EAR; that, ; artist, w a s to;  PUT; (insTALL) all his B O D Y; into that; River of ART; and that medium was to b  e ; -the Paint-  -likewise water-   ( -as far as he couldn't be cought by that thin SOUND-Pool of musics- )  .. ..(and of course; artist s ;  WERE TO; - has to-   let, Alien-Ratios L E A K; into t h e i r;  M i n ds; 4 they will too, b e ; REALİzed;  ..4 the IDEAL Capital ism..Civilisation..)

    Finally;  a G A i N;  "  Romantism and REAL i s a t i o n  " ;  are, related, and has to HAPPEN; -be-; one after,  the other; i n the  SAME; F L O W; of art; process..

    ..(on the same chain,as it is made in Romantism-age-in music; and has to be a c h i v e d; i n the PAiN T; this T  i  m  e ..  )  .. that is,  :

    .. First Artist has to give;  ALL; o f his/her R A T i O; into paint.. (of course, after writings dancings, sound-things; drawings e.c.t. m a d e. all these defination methods; has defined the  "  thing of art "  in the brain; "  that will be installed into the PAiNT " t h e n.. ..-and "  RATiO;of the artist " ; has to be in that arty-thing, as an " absolute-processor b e es in any thing " ..- )

    .....that "  ratio; installed ;i n the Paint  "    ;  T H E N;   "  will M A K E; "  that; art-THiNG; " ,   " R  E  A  L  "  ..-a thing-


    and that realisation has to b e  made, in a " sterile " Lab. conditions; ; that is a computer's; inner space; ( Si-Ga Alloy's inner atomic Volumes )  ..(no color paint or line added ..only pure ratio acts; "  cut,turn stretch,p a s t e " , occures..on that original paint-material..)

    ..computer Process  :  "   RATiO;-or theSOUL; in that PAiNT  "  ;   ;  has to be -stay- UNiC-  and  NO OTHER;  RATiO; -or SOUL- has to b e ; ADDED; to, that;  " REALiZATiON; o f that ; ;art THiNG "  ... (no color paint or line added ..only , cut,turn stretch,p a s t e  ,should process; ..on that original paint-material..)

    H  e  r  e, on the computer, ; U can ADD  " U'r REAL;d a i l y RATiO  " ; to that;  " original; SOUL that has been put  into the P a i n t  " .. (secular ratio-soul addings, ,-ratio in your actual mind and the ratio in the paint are;  separately STUDied; i n the computer.... and that will prevent; " mixed-HiBrid s  " ; in,   , both SOULs; and i n the actual-RATiO s of the M i n d s.. ( which is man and civilisation; & humanity is STUCK.. i n, too,.. )


    Capitalism; needs REAL; (REALİZED ) T h i n g s. and this kind of "  art-REALized  " , is for "  IDEAL Kapitalism; Civilisation  "  and 4   "  t h e   "  ; "  piece " ..

    Money, represents; "  these real; Pictures "  ON iT..;(but in state people Faces )  " and  t h e s e ;  should come from that realisation-TUBE ( that I mentioned, a b o v e .. ) of " realisation of the arty things..;i n  the F u t u r e.. ..  I think..

    P i c t u r e s (or FORMs of BEings ) to cover " the total wall "; (wall; as a fundemental element of architecture.. ) "  and because their reality is (has been made pure ) PURE  " ; (these eXiStance, essence,and BEings of theREALMs i n these REAL Picture F o r m s..  ) ; p e o p l e has to use; their " RATiOs AS EYEs " ; and o w n ; their; Minds; and their; RATiOS;  ,  T H E N;  ,( instead;  " the wild-capitalist ; OWN their Minds and Ratios.. ) ... (and that will b e the REVOLOTiON; o f the "  BASE ic- and  ,that "  FundeMENTAL- LiBERATi O N  " progress.... )

    I hope there is t i m e, ,and intellect , to r e a d , my Post.




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    I could not; read it all y e t, ( I did not prefer to DO;  that yet ) it seems Mary begun to talk. Mary's    " romantisism and the r e a l " has stuck into my brain .
    ( or I have an idea  stuck in my brain, abuot that " romantism & realization " ; relation.. to ask to her, if there is a short cut, she has in mind ) .. ( I am a scientist -chemistry- but I do not know if Mary has political standings ; -and standarts- ( does she stand " politic " instead o f acting i n Scientific eXperimental; talks, i n art field. )  -that is ; is she a scientist to install science into art (in art work manners ) ;  ; or is she a scientist; ;   to carry art-doings into the (science; " p r e c t a c e  " )  -

    Mary that is the, question. " before mentioning; " romantism "  in art history , let's talk who is romantic-artist ; ;i s s u e.  L e t me tell how I look. Romantism i s realted to RATiO; ; ( " the age of enlightenment "  ; was parallel to RATiO; usage of the men,, ) and in enlightment-AGE; people were able to use their; Ratios and they were; v e r y Rational persons ; that they even; MADE; RATiO; couold w a l k; i n that; CAPiTALism..(a wild one because RATiO; has made a hibrid; w i t h, being clever; too, intime..

    I think romantic artists; ; (Like Robert Shumann; my favorite ) should have to give their; " RATiOs " , into their art; (music) .. ( that means When U install all u'r Ratio; i n t o , art; ) that is " U LOSE " " U'r "  m i n d ..  ( now U'r RATiO; has m e l t in ; that, " romantic art THiNG " ;  and then i t  will  B E;  M A D E;  or not; ( to that REAL THiNG; as Realism has to produce; , -tailorMade ; purchased; to romantic-school artist.. -but they did not melt (install) their RATiO s; into the art-Medium , first..
    I guess; U can fallow..

    W  H A T; I am to come is; ,if someone is romantic in the art o f the PAiNTing; then; his/her; , " RATiO;   ( -although it is untouchable; with being the mighty-holy-property of capitalist's ) , has to b e melted in the;  P  A  i  N  T -m e d i U M.... ( that is an important and serious, thin to DO ) remember ROBERT S h u MAN n; , because H E; almost LOST; his M i n d ; HE; Jump into the, paint -water- of that REN-River,, and in the morning ; HE; was taken out from the river; and then; put into; ; a RATiO-Hospital; (that is, he LOST his Mind, when doing this )  ..........of course, I understand; R.ShuMAN n; the other w a y..H E tells to my EAR; that, ; artist, w a s to;  PUT; (insTALL) all his B O D Y; into that; River of ART; and that medium was to b  e ; -the Paint-  -like wise water-

    Finally;  "  Romantism and REAL i s a t i o n  " ;  are, related, and has to be; one after,  the other..(on a same chain )  .. that is,
    .. First Artist has to give;  ALL; o f his/her R A T i O; into paint.. (of course, after writings dancings, sound-things; drawings e.c.t. m a d e. all these defination methods; has defined the thing of art in the brain; that will be installed into the PAiNT ..-and RATiO; has to be in that thing, as a absolute-processor..- )
    .....that ratio; installed ;i n the Paint;  T H E N; will M A K E; that; art-THiNG;  R  E  A  L ..and that realisation has to b e  made, in an " sterile " Lab. conditions; ; that is a computer's; inner space; ( Si-Ga Alloy's inner atomic Volumes )  ..
    ..(that is; the RATiO; -or the SOUL;of an artist- has to be UNiC; -has been sailing in that art-THiNG;-  and  NO OTHER;  RATiO; -or SOUL- has to b e ; ADDED; to, that;  " REALiZATiON; o f that art THiNG "

    Capitalism; needs REAL; (REALİZED ) T h i n g s. and this kind of art-REALized, is for IDEAL Kapitalism; Civilisation and " t h e piece " ..

    Money, represents; these real; Pictures; that should come from that TUBE; -that I mentioned, a b o v e .. )  I think..

    P i c t u r e s to cover " the total wall "; (wall; as a fundemental element of architecture.. ) and because their reality is PURE; (these eXiStance, essence,and BEings of theREALMs ) ; p e o p l e has to use; their " RATiO EYEs " ; and o w n ; their; Minds; and their; RATiOS; instead; wild-capitalist own them.









    Murat Oktay Danış
    .. b e e eeeeeee en " O 'D A " şirketinde MODDANiS
    Brian,

    Tuval is " canvas " ; -and we use this noun in Turkish; ..- and although I new the word " c a n v a s " ; there was that " tuval " in the dictionary; too; -as an English word-; so I prefered, the one that I was familiar with , the " sound " .... Don't U say " tuval " to, " c a n v a s ". -e v e r.-









    Murat Oktay Danış
    .. b e e eeeeeee en " O 'D A " şirketinde MODDANiS
    .." a director's CUT " ; ; to my " B E A U T y " ; writing, , (earlier )

    ..where; " beauty i s; because there are " 4 S i d e s " ( learnable 4 sides) and because our RATiO; can see these 4 Parts simultaneous ly ; b u t, our conscious -what we see with our eyes-; see only one side, -and the beauty of it- that i s being looked ; a t . (at the moment )

    ..what I learned from that; writing, is; ; " ALPHABETH; w r i t i n g " with artist's hand, ,includes; these " turns " and EDGES; , ( ILKHNBİ; these letters , have these Sides or edges..-as they include straight liines- ) ( and the ones like cgsoe are for the turns to be made ; " by the ratio " .. )

    SO; ifU have written that " Alphabeth Letters " ; before; U ; " paint e d a Tuval; "; t h e n; there were these " ratio " m o v e s, in U' r M i n d -as; deed s- ..to locate these " 4 other Sides "; e a s i l y, into tuval.. .. .. ( and of course, Alphabeth has captured; -while writing- and installed; all that; captured " absolute voulume " in the Middle of that TUVAL; for RATiO; to b e able to make these 4acts for installing ; that 4 Parts to the4 Sides of the tuval...

    I hope this is not " abstract " ; as the original, one..

    ..i f still i s; then, only " a face to face " ; talk would overcome that.." lost in translation.. " ..I Think.. . this s where " words " e n d ; ; -has exhausted-..















    Murat Oktay Danış
    .. b e e eeeeeee en " O 'D A " şirketinde MODDANiS
    Irena :
    .. " a c t ; -or action- they say, ; when on " a film, s e t " .. or " act; 128 " ; writes o n that; Black; B o a r d.. ( of the Absolute and DARK; V o l u m e ; H i d d e n i n the EYE; o f a BLACK; B O X ..-the camera- ( Muslims; turn their front to KABBA; where That ; " BLACK CERTAiN COVERED; -ABSOLUT-V O L U M E; i s LOCATED .. -and they call it the House of THE ALLAH- so they take a " meditational- ride " , to b e with ; " " ; in that " UNiC " Space as they , defined..their L i f e in acting.. S O.. ... -even that can b e described as a trip into that; BLACK; boX; " with the OBJECTiVE;as a B i G; E Y E "..

    I am to , say that; I am an " eXpressionist " ; .. -and impressionist as well- ( and what U described 4U; is an impressionist w a y of life; I T h i n k.. )
    ..as i n american UNiC; " continuous- F L O W " ; SYSTEM; ; " THiNGs; has to FLOW; ; inthrough é U " -and; then- , " U " too; c a n; FLOW; into -and in- ; " EVERY THiNG " ; ,S O..
    ( in Chemical Engineering; they taught us; -to STAND in; ; and PROCESS these FLOW ing SYSTEMs.. ; (all these; " Continious-SYSTEM i n g s) ..

    S O; I designed, m y all life, on that, direction.. ( to be in many DOings; as I aso; " A C T " ; in every one of them..
    -and may be because DOing that " plenty of things " ; I do not need, to b e with too, many people -or WOMEN-.. that means I lose my chance to live my life; with many; woman.. - some like multi woman in their life because they are not in MULTi-D O in g s;..)

    .. and if I am; F l o w i n g; " İN " ; ; my-MULTi-ART-DOings; , then; I DO; n o t; ; s e e ; ( or WatCH ) them; from, the o u t S i d e.. ( S O; when I go to cinema; they -THiNGs- all flow inthrough m e; and when ; I am out, -of the cinema- I only remember, t h e ; " b a s i C & FundeMental; ACT s " ; i f I C o u l d ; D O; " these S A M E; ACT s ; tha ACTors ; d i d; , ( could act,, ) , in the coming DAY s " .. -i n my art-- , too.

    ...these are the BASEs; h o w I behave, S O .










    Murat Oktay Danış
    .. b e e eeeeeee en " O 'D A " şirketinde MODDANiS
    Ireana :
    " Socialist Structure of a Female " ; sentence is a " provokative-SPiCE " -or a SPY- that has been installed into a ; ( " L O C O' M O T i V E " ) Writing-PERf o r m ance " ..of mine..

    ..there will be " comPARTment s " tied to that " Loco m o t i v e; WRiTing " (of mine), but main thing is, to be (in the A u r a) ; o f t h e ; " LOCOMOTiVE " ; ; I think.. (just l i k e Gerry has said; " t h a t, P O E M "
    that has to b e ; h i d d e n; in the, " W r i t i n g " ..

    I confess; I Watch 3 Films in the cinema ; every week ..and so ; " I am so provokative, too,, " and an attacker; -as i n an American-; F i l m- ..( and I Like, I Admire U:S:A: F i l m s; rather than Europa-Films, because we flow in a fast life..and only these films can brake the chains we are tied, i n the ; " m o n o TONE ity " .. -I prefer to b e ; " c u t " -put into pieces by them; than I will recover; to " n e w " ; in my brain , using only my imagination and, my intellect talents o n l y.. -, .. )

    M Y; PROVOKative spy; tells me that; " U " are, not, in that; " cinema " Loco m o t i v e " ; and U prefer to stay; " at U'r HOME " (in the compartment )
    i n s t e a d.. ( and try to make " U'r " L i f e , a F i l m; in " U'r " cinema .. ) ( D O, not take anything personal please; I am only talking to my self; ..)

    I think; the UNiC; (and only ) "ART-MAKiNG ACADEMy " ; in the world; now is; based in U.S.A. nowadays.. ( and HollyWOOD; is the stage 4 that ACADEMy.. ) .and if " U " (or I) who want's to stand-STİLL; in that; " a r t " F i e l d; ,has to be, STANDiNG; i n that; STAGE-Performance.. by going to these films in the cinema.. ( not i n HOME- used as a cinema-HALL.. .. ) ( Bill, i s -was- , inthat K i t c h e n, l i v e... )
    ..it is the e r a of; the 7. art; and it is called; " c i n e m a " art.. (basic to all artists..providing fundemantals of the a r t..to any person in the world..)

    " U " " have TO play " ; (play with the keyboard;, ball , paint, sounds, letters; e.c.t.) ; if U DO; not want to b e; " PLAYED; " .. ( that means there are two kinds of; play..U can play with, " people " ; or " U " play with " Things " ..second is secular, and acceptable, to me.. )

    Play with THiNGs, i f U DO; not want to b e " PLAYED " , b y OTHERs.. -people-

    GO; to cinema; i f U DO; not want;U'r L i f e " become a cinema itself " .. (I tell all these, to my self, o n l y .. -every day-..)

    U s e ; art materials every DAY; S O;" U " ,won't b e " material " to, the OTHER-people MAKiNG; a rt , over -on- " U'r " ; materials; , (as they get into our brain-body-material and activate us as they will; and every thing " HAPPEN " as, they planed.. e.c.t. )

    ......b e a " girl " (telling to my self) -with U' r OWN; L a b o r- in sports ( whenI am on the F i e l d; for 4 hours of sporting; " I become an old, man " ready to -deliver- my soul, back to the God..( or back to the heaven of arts ) and that is, my muscles are weaker than a female.. ( a time travel, to my old-&wise-man, Form..
    -if I like my " OLD-MAN F o r m; -old&wise- " ; shouldn't ı love; " m y; female " POSİTİONİNG, i n my L i f e ; -and in my body- - to make my art; more mature.. and -
    complate-

    .any WOMAN; can not, p u t Force; to " my inner-female-energy " ; acting with " READY-MADE;WOMAN-BODy " as is born so..


    ...on the other hand, o n e; can; " SHUT " ; himself, in the " T i M E " and; SPACE; " " BLOCiKing the BODy; in them " , , and be " a cinema Film;all by HiMSELF " .." ..( as Gerry Does, I think.. ) .. but that is an eXperiMANTAL; S T A T E; to be taken serous; and is SO; ; ;person has to carry, a "" CAMERA " "; i n his H E A D .. ( as a short-Film; catcher .. ) all the time.. t h e n; I will s a y, ; that person's L i v e" "has BECOME-Cinema..( NOT; has been MADE aCinema..by others as they d i r e c t , our Lives.. - - )

































































































































    " BEAUTY " c o n c e p t ; has the basic CODEs ; to begin, to talk; MODERN, and , the contemporary art e r a ..( Contemporary art can be defined as; " not beautifull " in the, most basic way ) . I am with Daniel, on that issue..

    i f U say; art is all about " humanism " then; contemporary art; should b e; " all the creatures; Living in the world " ..N O; n e e d ; to create , " modern contemporary art " , out of, God's contemporary-creation; or CREATURES as ART.. .... God has created them; in the Most contemporary ; creative and engineered, W A Y.

    ..I have a feeling here; ,using " Brush " in painting ; has made; " everything a mass " .. U can not see any brush traces; in Leonardo paintings..(soul itself is figure there) and " " brush strokes " in Modern impressionists.. ( when Wan Gogh makes his brush strokes these strokes are like, spatula strokes.. ) (brush blurres the lines; and lets in the absolute-SPACEleak; -say soul- then we are not with the world ) ( Modern isms has made everything to come on the surface, of the World, .. )

    I am to say; I had a " drawing -ABSOLUTE- LiNES period "; ; for 6 years ..T h e n ; begun; Painting with " a Knife "..NO; solvent added; NO Brush -as to blurr-..S q u e e z e; the paint from the tube;on tuval and, use a Knife; to make painted surfaces.. DRAW the Painting, with a Knife, mix colors on the tuval; -not outside the tuval; on a palet-.

    WHAT; I mean is, " brush has many " lines " -or brush is a multi-line-maker-, on it.. but these free brushings shall -or are TO- ; d e s t r o y the " L İ N E " (of the world); in fact. .. ( i f U DO; not make " WORLDy-one-Lines " U be on the OTHERside; withU'R SOUL... but today; there is an other concept; how to pass to the " other SiDE ; andSO we have this contemporary-art; mathematic-field for ,Ratio; to DO; THAT..

    S O; the way ART History, goes, can be s e e n; in ; the instrument types..used in painting..

    " knife " has one; -only one- L i n e (as it cuts like a Line )..to DRAW the paint with.. and U can enlarge that Line to a surface; with knife, ,if ULike.. too. ..that means " surface, is an enlarged L i N E " ; too..( so all the painting on the tuval; is made of LiNES; and Painting is PURE; WORLD.. ) (and that is completely opposite to that deepening surface with brush to install the " soul ". i n. attamp..
    (they owned the world and they needed to pass into that " other side " .. these days,.. so they diluted, and blurred; the Paint.. SO; every blurr and diluted occurance -social too- in the world begun with that, " dilution in art " .. I can s a y..)

    TO ADD ALPHABETH; WRiTiNGs; to that; K N i F E; WORK: on the TUVAL..
    ..also; " w r i t i n g " Alphabeth, L e t t e r s; are just like cutting surface with " a L i n e "

    .. S O; if U have written ALPHAbeth; before painting with knife; then; knife could; use; these cuts of the, alphabeth i n, the TUVAL; t o o ..

    WHAT; D O E S; all that; " K N i F E " using in painting; bring to the art work.. ( say it's one-Line drawing -of the knife's- , installs " the Job of the Alphabeth written ( both Alphabeth and Knife was in the ,same hand ) into the plane of the tuval..
    THE AREA; that ALPHABETH has ocuppied; will b e; EXTRA; VOLUME; in the TUVAL; to make " turns " ; i n ; by THE; i n t e l el e c t; -produced while writing, mostly- ..

    ... and when ; all these; are d o n e. .. finally ; U can; recognize that; THESE-T U R N s; made w i t h the Knife and paint; has PUT; " 4 Sides " theother 4 Picturings..

    ( because there was " accumulated ABSOLUTE; space " ; (Volume) p u t in the middle of the TUVAL; -from the alphebeth letter Lines- ;for the RATiO; to divide The main story; to 4 .. )

    ..let me give U one example.. 1980 my painting..
    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10201806929588089&set=a.10201806929548088.1073741835.1027582449&type=3&theater

    I wonder, if anyone could get i t.. ( what I tried; to t e l l .. ) .

    S O; WHAT DO; I ,; TELL O N,; " what is B e a u t y " ..

    " B E A U T Y; is someTHİNG; that can TALK to U'r eyes; from the for sides; -U'r RATiO can Fallow,and READ i t from that 4 sides - ; and still; U'r Conscious; , SEES o n l y ; ONE; F i g u r e.. ( although there 4 figurings in that fundemental, and multi;structur i n g .. ..
    T h e y too; must have felt that; during, t h e; RENAissance. ( SO; B e a u t y; begins with Renaissance; I G u e s s.. ( but not in PARTs ; 4 parts has been reached; i n t h e; with; " MODERN; impressionism " , a g e ..


    I know that is, unreadable..and very hard to decipher.b u t, may b e; there will be enthusiasts shall eagerly try to read it..

    AT; LEAST; every one can look, at the painting and consider; WHY; it is; a " different than OTHERs " , p a i n t i n g, with the; " 4 Sides " .





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    Lorraine,
    ( in fact because FEMALE-body are " socialist-structured " -to make able, the birth- + (&sEX engine %70 included;innn..); they w o u l d not let man; b e a , p u r e; " socialist " ..( Socialism, is a Female-natured Ideology & art w a s in that field of socialism, ;but then, in Architectural-Capitalism; brought, Capitalism's " Contemporary " .. )

    What I am to say is, , W o m a n, are trying to; establish them s e l v e s; ( in that) " Architectural-Capitalism, a r e a " ..and They think it is their RATiO; that should b u i l d s their L i v e s.. and their carier..( of course, every Person should w i n her/his induvudual-rights..NO problem , i n there.. )


    What I say, is; , A PERSON; -male or a female- has to have 2 sides. .I prefer to talk to a MALE; socialist, ( for eXample.) ..not to a socialist Woman. because woman has that " natural-socialist-body within " ..and I can not be, s u r e of her , social abilities. i f they w e r e " purely intellectual " ..
    ..on the other hand; if there is -a true architect- a capitalist Woman (a pure Rational- Mind ) I would rather talk to her; ; and not to a " V i l d Capitalist Man -a Macho- " that lives with testosteron. -mostly mixes with the ostrogen in his body..

    T e a m- Work; ( or to be in a team - a sport team , or in a match ) ,is a " socialist " a c t .there is " no individuality " , in a t e a m. but then, after the sport-matching, then again everyone is, " i n d i v i d u a l " ..What I am trying to say is; every one has to have; 2 OTHER; s i d e s; i n..socialist when in a team and in a match; and p u r e Ratioanal-individual; when not social.

    ..problem is, when hibrid personalities; and marriages, o c c u r.
    ..My w i f e ; has that; " t e a m-Work " S i d e ; I tasted..then she can B iu i l d; her " individual " ; S i d e ; t o o. ( She has a JOB; that ı never ; go, there -that is her JOB- ,-NO body includes me in- ( at Home, I DO; not let, these Job-mates; use; m e..SO; I DO; not Talk her business at home; and people there can not touch m e; or problems in her office..wouldn't Jump in my L i f e..-or my art- ; U may say; I am not social. at home.. yes I am social , but only to the people I am FACE-2FACE.. -I wouldn't have to be social to whom I do; not know..and I am a TRUE-FACEtoFACE; people, and I tell every thing, to Whom; I can; look at -the FACE-

    L e t me tell U that; because she carried my, artistic and sportive sides; -that hapened to her - now she has a House; that she decorated,

    L a d i e s..there are some red L i n e s..between Socialism-and Capitalism..(and between man and woman) that has to be Formed; in every Person; r i g h t. first.. Other wise; we should wait in the " SOUP CANs " of ANDy WARHOLs; to b e ; gained to " personallities " ; again; if we can; b e ; that " Picture of SOUPs " ; " or " MARYLYN MONREOink; P a i n t e d s " .

    ..every Lady, has to make sport s.. or b e in " a ball game" once " in a T E A M " inTheSunLight; ; other than, being " i n a b e d ".-or being a bedOfAriver-..

    C o u l d; ANDY WARHOL; take-off those " red tomatos " ; o u t; from these; SOUPs; -as they could come to the surface of the c a n; all by the means of these ; " SOUP; photos&colored-inks & thinPaper" ; instead of delicious and-fleshy PAiNT.... -

    ...a n d PAiNTing;(where it fall) even into, the, MARKETs; to beg even small pockets of the normal citizens.. ( if painting wasSAiD, d e a d;artist would do, e v e n that.. to carry the problem to the feet of the soup, d r i n k er.. .. (was it to say), W a t c h that " soup; painting printed " ; and U may not need to eat; " the soup " inside, maybe..

    ANDY; W A R hole; tried to, take ; these " visions-andTHiNGs "; OUT; of the " HOLE " they W E R E; , STUCK; i n tt o ..(onceTheyWereİnPainting) ( A Linear contemporary-m o v e, to these , things ; to overcome, the HOLEofARCHitects&engineers-AGE.








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      ..I will shorten; my writings again.. " 4 "the directors c u t " ..
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      EDEN; it was an important thing, -that I was coming to-, " with that " " the death of Marat " painting.. I will like to hear, U'r look, to my question , h e r e..( please )

      ..because, I did not see, that; important; painting, ,I must have thought, " or b e ", " THAT PAiNTiNG " ; ,with all my BODy; and soul, ,and PLAY it every where.. (as a TheatRE ) ..( as it had happened once; -in THE History- somehow it might reached and leaked into m y, intellect; or subconscious and accumulated, there 4 my making it reel in my behaviors.. ..
      ( - I wouldn't be DOing; that, i f I SAW; that painting, ..somewhere, &someBodie's..- )

      ..SO; can I (we) say; I was the ; CONTEMPORARiAN; ( and i n s t a l l a t i o n MAKER; of that PAiNTiNg's and " PLAY it " ,every where; I GO .. i n the ABSOLUTE..)..

      ..then I will come to that conclussion : " contemporary art occures; i f there is still ,something ,that hasn't been s e e n.."

      ..of course; A PAiNTing; can b e ; (installed absolutely; &contemporarily; into locations, ) all b y " a person " , as if " acting like painting in the A b s o l u t e.. " ..

      ..I suppose, ı could tell, it..

      p.s.should I say; , I have become , much more " a contemporary THiNG " ; because; I GUARDed; my self; with keeping; m e , " unlearned; " although, I am educated.. ( I mean ) ..and that was, a hard " L a b o r " .. (not to larn, much )..but still try to " education ON.." .. What DO; U say, for that..
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      EdEN; of course, it should come to that; " D i d; Cristian Culture 's; Figuration based painting ; art; - figurings are ,ON the Surface- covers that; DEPTH; of , THiNGs coming to birth, in our minds.. .. ( just trying to figure it; out.. )
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      Matt, U'r e y e s -intellect- can s e e; " ANY " T H i n g.. ( that a r e, many, i n my writings.. )
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      Gerry; I posted a long, " writing " to U'r kind, " POEM " thing, " defination " , but it did not appeared, here.


    Irena, my wife is a medical doctor, who could dare to mary a chemical-engineer who  adored   " life; to art "  ..First I tested her  if I could teach my art-style &scholl to her; and I saw;    "   the-female side   -of my-kind of art scholl- "   , then..with her art, works  just after; I showed how to DO.

    She was to write, draw abstract lines  and make paintings with a knife  -I dislike brush; I used knife s to paint surfaces.. ) , and play basketball and football in my team....SO, I saw that ,my art and I; could " pass-through " h e r, (  NO; obstacle. to my art, i n h e r..    ) (because NOTHiNG;  should  interrupt; m y art.. and  I would knock over her,too, if she had that obstacle.i n her, later....  ..if she wouldn't let my art pass through her..)
    .. ( T E A M s  work,is in this way..too..and I am a trainer to people who I take into my team   )..

    p.s. as I said before, I have a      " female  structuring body "    ,(by bending my bones )and  it occures in my body &brain, ..(  "  and a strong female-kind of thinking-deed,, "  ..as if  a female is in my brain and , "  will THiNK  " ..  ) (that means I can think like, a female ;does ) (and that makes me a female,too,, of course )

    ( I LABOR that  -structured female in me; while long sport sessions- ) to reach "  my  TOTAL-BODY; that will-make arts " .

    .and I will " install THAT;   "  my-female body    -that is in my mind- " ; into the girl, that should stand near m e;   -with me all the t i m e-..


    ..  " .i f a true artist  " ,  " , U live ,ONLY in U'r BODy  " ..(unicness of art shall come from that Unic-Body)  ..that means I can not touch any other woman b o d y ; i f ;  my-female side; is not in it.. ( I have to touch " my thinking "  only , in every thing ..) ( when I play basketball match; I have to pick my own , team mates; who shall listen to what I say,  , i n,   a ;t e a m .. I  am  a  TEAM- people..too, ofcourse..

    S O, here -at that point- there will be a result,  for my, " writing style " ..because I am the Team Leader  -was all the time-  and writing these; TEXt s; , there has to b e ; 4 other people; p u t ; into the SYSTEM; o f that;  " WRiTiNG's CONCEPT .. "  ..

    S  O; it seems, -  "   if 4 people are not in my wrting, s i m u l t a n e ously  "  - , (-that might be one person in whose mind there can be 4 person,though..- )   , than it is a TEXt; ; only ; 4 me.. ( a EMPTY-B O X )  .. ( and 4 my self; as a PLAY-MAKER, in basketball. only )  . of course, "  some d o e s  have  "  " phobias " , and they can not g  e  t  in,   " EMPTy, PLACES "  ..  ( as they were deep  " u t e r i n e  " .. )

    ..of course, when I am ON; t h e, field, , I never accapt   (-people who know how to play; and what to  MAKE in the game;  already ,   ; before the game  )..into my team.
    .there must be " two teams " always.., and team-mates shall play only with their team-mates.  .. and every team builds it's OWN; TOWER..    ( that is a fair play..do not put any obstacle, o n the way of the other, t e a m .. obtain a unused area, i n the feld;  and build "  U'r own Tower  " , when BALL, i s,   "  with U  " ..)




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      ..Take a sentence, and ask " what " does it means.. I think these are too,long and some abstract again. not easy, to, change..


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      NOW; we should come to that proposal of EDEN's. " D i d I D i e " realy.
      Should I be dead, in that moment, I " waited and rehersaled " ,all my L i f e.
      When talking with Irena; -I do not know if she figured out- when saying, " Iam Soviet to my self " but not to anyone else; ; the issue was coming to that " I d e a " .below.

      ..because I am " male " to gain -or add- that " Female " body, -to mine- I had to bend bonds.. (my bones )..Still I should be, a male but, I should be gained, that -female- aesthetics to, w h i c h are essential in art.. (I mean both are..) if someone was to be a " Total " artist,then w a s to, include,that both.

      ..that is a " difficult " concept, I know. God made us male or female.. so it is well to go on that way..Provide,the other kind,when necessary. but in art everything has to be; continuous ,and "two kinds " has to be ,with the Artist all the time ..(that is why everyone need a lover,too..)

      ..SO bending-BONES; , are a making " TOTAL Process..and if U can DO; that ONCE; NO; Woman can; b e a t , U.. ( as a WORKER; to my FeMale Side; I can teach my wife, how to b e; More WOMAN..-because a given structure won't be enough; to know it ,every time..every way )

      S O; as TALKing on KOGAN; I have to, attach a video; to what I mean.
      ..here,in that video; I s e e a Man; " an ALiEN " breathing in " a MAN " ..That man is being conducted b y these " F i n g e r s " ALiENated. ( hands change, bones bent, when work,too much ..) ..They say KOGAN; was rude to his students..because he had nothing to t e a c h ,to those, w h o did not have " ALiEN; Fingers " ..and that needed that, " bone bending " ..

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjxE0XvxeC8
       Irena Grant-Koch bunu beğendi















    I read messages;where I left from..I have " some " to say,so.First of all every one had a push on my " changing;  the hands " .. ( even Daniel,did ;because to siege a conscious,U need that " threat " ,too..-and that makes me more angry and sharp &it is a part of the process )..but I have to say,i f my keyboard was not LiMPY; ,I wouldn't stop. I am instrumentalist and my instrument has to fail ,then I will, g i v e it UP.. (of course when passing that surrender-BRiDGE; accompany of a LADy, is convincible. -death should be in the arms of a Lady- ..Brian was very near,Titus tipped; Lorraine showed her face..( but I felt tha DEATH-MASK, o n the LADies -FACE, NAMED; a s Angel, there..I was to look at my recent posts,and " there " w a s a; obvious " regression; "  there, in my m i n d . -and in my word choice s.-  (All these are effect of that, L i m y Clavier..in fact..but it has to..so if I write with APPLE clavier, I am calm..reverse is reserved ,I know )

    SO; EDEN; w a s, right; " that was a "  DEATH o f Murat's ", ..
    Then that, painting " Death of Marat " by David..appeared ..http://www27.homepage.villanova.edu/joanne.stadnicar/david.jpg
    ..Thank U; EDEN..This was worth to die in a psychiatry session..(Ihad my Psychiatry an other Pretty Lady, b u t that one w a s the best, I lived, -a very gentle, o n e -
    ..and at last I finally r e a c h e d;  that " Model Painting " ; that Formatted, my Life.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Death_of_Marat
    ..that is me ..I do not know how it had " leaked " in m e, but that was my " MOMENT " in  L i f e , and it was; " Painted " before.. (it must be, " I was to be Modern "; because I went that high school, -that was first in Turkey- to MODERNize, the Education..and I was to be that MARAT.. -unfortunately I waited to be killed by a Woman, too ..-should I say, the soul of the Marat; has came in ME " ..  ( I would, strongly defend that .. )

    S  O;  EDEN; I will only tell U   one piece  of these, evidence .. I was a Beatles Lover, for 4 years..I memorized all of the songs. and my favorite; song was; " she came in through the bathroom window ".
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nq5ZdJxxsOc

    ..( 4 that) Marat, was a writer in his bath r o  o m .. ( to many parallelities, I am amazed &shocked..was it good that I never met that " painting " and event..if I was an ART student; I wouldn't b e, structured in that painting as I KNEW; i t.  (it is accepted the first example of the Modern Painting..though )

    S  O; that VAKUM has brought it to me,  (and I had dressed i t " all the way " on me already.) SO; I had a fear in all my L i f e, that is, Iwill be killed by a woman. (revaluation is only the " excuse " ; -when MODERNity  WALKs , backWards-.

    It has been too long.SO; I cut that writing.. (I had given a word to Irena.. )






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    D a ni e l; ; (that kind of Typing of latters are for my orientation; to the M e d i u m..-to talk something to what I know- otherwise, I wouldn't talk to " something " that I do not Know- ; Daniel I do not know U and I do not act like as if, I Knew U.. that kind of typing is to give respect to U'r individuality , in r e al . .. )
    ..onthe other hand; " I am an individual " ,too..I have my rights to write; to cominucate to my " eXistance " ; " to my induvidual presence " , too ..(it seems J.P.Satre's eXistantial ism never was; i n ,U'r Land. )

    .i n fact, universal platForms are free graunds to individuals; ,and U can not know to whom; I am cominicating 2.. U can not urge any one with the F o r m a t; of , some comunities; -comucating Formats-..

    I suggest; U comunucate with U'r o w n; comunity.. and leave " individuality " a space.. ( Writing is universal; ;-sounds are not-. -of the comunities-, .. ..SO; there is music .. -as universal sound- ..provide some..

    Let me offer U something.. when U see my post.." Skip " ,-do not try to read- it..L e t these crazy Alphabet dance s , sail parallel..M a y b e, there will b e ; an intersection -maybe-; with " that ALiEN " ; ; and shall; p u t a golden-egg, onn the TABLE..( WHO; knows ) ..

    ..b e respectfull to " individuals " ; w h o may be reading our writings;but DO not; MAKE; " any," " s o u n d " . ( I offer. )

    ..say I am wrintg to " GODOT " ; and " GODOT " will come -to readthose-; -I wrote-, SOME day. ,b e faith f u l l. my friend ..










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    Titus; I think U'r Planet , (that U are in; with your Hypr-Abstracts ) is too cold and nothing can warm U. ( but I may say; there are PAiNT; -insead of human- in U'r PLANET ..DOU have any respect; to the " PAint " althoughU DOnot ; ;to the PAiNTing ..
    DO; U have to cut, human too, to make U'r; PLANET; " STARK y" ..
    I do not Think that U are that; " out of human " ..

    " a Gentle SOUL " ; on my PLANET; is a " t i n "; -not heavy- eXistance .

    .. " .rebirth; of the SOUL; in the PAiNT " ; ; I think, that is the main " lack " in yourpainting..SO; U , r that " sharp " .. ( U'r work R super..but that super ness has to be producing " stretch n e s s " .. I guess. can U not USE; " PAiNT ( main colors ) "; in your, HYper-Abstracts.. ( I shall wonder that .. -black and white does not count-..)

    U should have to wait 4 GodOT, to COME..too Titus. ..Althoug socialism has failed,2 some. ..Will U DO; that ..








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    Irena, I am having keyboard problems here.. it act like; " it writes whenever i t wants "..





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    Shafran, i s a Jew, as far as I know ..
    and his father Chellist and mother Pianist. S O; I think HE used that deciplines of the Soviet's -all by his will- to, b e A chellisst, more than his faher..( willingly a soviet to himself I mean..not to people around; h e was a gentelman..)







    Brian Millard

    artist tutor at Education Services (NZ)
    Murat, I had a look at you playing the piano. I really thought you had all the mannerisms of Debussy,
    but it wasn't Clair de Lune that came out.
    Brian Millard









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    ..there is NO; " paint "; o n Luna, .nor Debussy.





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      As I said; decipline has to b e ; in human.. ( to be a fine; an artist ) ( DO U think decipline is important in art; ) ( but some Ideologs try to make everyone artist; or a true worker .. by giving them these declines from outside ) ..on the other hand, art has 7 declines ..and one has to make them; all maybe, to solve the problems we ; L i v ei in art, in these d a y s.


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    SO, U must be thinking, >Irena " I was hypnotized by the Soviets;because w e were; border to border .. ) U may b e, right. b u t what so ever; how can U explain that KOGAN has bent, his fingers, to an Alien's .. I think , it was Kogan who bent his bones, ,not sowiets or; the " Ukrane " .did U ever bent U'r bones by too much work..





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    ..SO; DO U call U'r self a " socialist " or a " communist " -that means a sharp decipliner to the BONE ; 2U'r self- o r what. ..are U not smart ,enough in the Public..or did U ever think, that U have to bend U'r " bones " ; and that was the Job, -that is there wasNO other Job in U'r Mind; while working..





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    .." Good p o e m " Matt.. I wish U'r decoder ring ,only d o e s that, " craft " , work, as U look at me; from ________" the A R T-RiNG " .. -if U are to take PLACE; in that NEW art FORMATiON; ;; -or melt in the society-craftings-
    .. -otherwise, U too, should melt in that; " melted; -maybe thousand fingered- hands, o f the " s o c i a l "; Society " .. ..-I would accuse ; ," that hidden public u n cons cio US " ; 4 that-, ( instead ), o n l y.

    -sometimes; contra can bring the truth.. andthe" good " ; if U are to melt in, I will post U best; LADY GAGA; BALLADs- ; with JEFF-KOONs, Dolls.. -at least U should know, what should; -and how- m e l t ; U ..i n stt e ea d.







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    Titus; " painting " ; " and PAiNT " ; -and Penture- is the, " m a i n " THiNG; i n art..there is the differance between; " sculpture " -or statue- and , painting.. ( when thinkg 7 art deciplines; Paintng is inth MiDDLE ) (it is very important; if something is , two dimentional..all three-dimensional things shall " f i g h t " .. ) ( but after contemporary-art; that fight has been put into one-dimension; ( and it is the " direction " of that capitalism, i n " true and regular raasoning; intellectualism of the PUBLiC architects.. " . )









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    ..one of my " perFormance Writings " ; ( notice: NEEDs a Performance " TRUE-Reading " -not eased-.. .. )

    Brian, . r e: " When something is truy abhorrent no ammount of rationalisation can make it acceptable. "

    ..There is still a hibrit t h i n g in the sentence.. IT i s not,a thing to " feed " " U.". ( you wouldn't eat it in anyway; mentally or fleshy..-andinstall in " U'r " structure-.. ) ..if " U " "still s e e "; it, it was 4 U to " e a t " , then, that " abhorrent thing " wortHs doing that, as a j o b; " 4 the sake of theART , i n g ". -that is it has right to eXist, in that " field of art-

    ..Irena and Daniel were mentioning; " Judgement " o r " Assessment " ..
    Judgement + Assessment = " N A M E i t "

    ..that i s;
    " CONTEMPORAy ART; i s an affort to ; " N A M E it " "
    .. (that is, they use black face of maths, grey stomach of the concepts, installations i n s -and outs-, happenings to involve U in;-or out-,, &perFORmance to include both, impro +change + metamrphosis; and ; e.ct.

    ( b e c a us e, there are many things miXed in Human nature, ; " these HYBRiD; T H i N G s; " have to b e, eXcluded out from the BODy o f the " HUMAN " ; structure.
    ...and that is to " clean " t h e ; " PATH of the A R T " .
    ( of course, pure- h u m a n- BODy, and the " Spirit " ; c a n -and has to- ExİST; i n, that, " OPEN PATH of ARTs " ..

    ..b u t I think; the " AGE " of " Contemporary art, , is vanishing..too..
    ..because I think, " computer's simply supply us " absolute Wolume " and a " Machine " to MAKE; " anything " ; " CONTEMPORARy " .. ( that is all these contemporary actions can be put into computers; inner absolute space and; that machine (and comp.-Programs ) shall; " N A M E; i t " ; " every T H i N g " , otomatically ..(

    S O, if someone is trying to " NAME i T " ; -in a contemporary-work- then we shouldn't go that space, , as we are going , to a restaurant..


    ..are they art, -contemporary art- ..N O they are not; (because human is not included i n ..)
    ARE they, i n, the "ART Field " ..YES, they are.. ( to do some job 4 ; " individuals-art-path " ) ..
    ..main thing to point here i s ; ARCHiTECTURE; (as classified; as art ) ; has been; eXcluded by; Fine arts,and the other arts; -cinema is the 7-...along; time in the History o f art.(we live in architectural buildings but w e, do not talk; "architectre " ..do we )

    SO; that is a period of ; " revenge of the architects " ; A G E :: (as all contemporary art can b e said as; interrior-and space-design.. of that architects mathematical and intellectual a c t s. -and actionof the fcts,maybe..- ..)


    Marchel Duchamp; -the French man-; has had tried to slowen that; " slide " to " architect's-intellectualism " ; ( by telling ;artists should depend on ENGiNEERinG-DESiGNs .. -artistic design has slidden , into that; " engineering design " ; he saw..- ( as in " the Fountain " ) ;b u t, , " coming of thet revenge -of architects- w a s; v e r y strong " ..they sweept u s to, TOday..

    L e o n r d o, DA Vinci, ( also an ENGiNEER ) was (and is ) the main, " THiNG " " Figure " ; Like BACH in Music..i n ART ..( but this is an other, topic ,to talk on )..

    H o w DO; U; " NAME i t " .. " Andy WARHOL " .. what did he do as a contemporarian ..( do not turn around; the task, ;Just " NAME i t " ..MAME a Thing that has NAMED; many THiNG s.. ( but how canHE; b e named; -as what did he DiD-





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    ..one of my " perFormance Writings " ; ( notice: NEEDs a Performance " TRUE-Reading " -not eased-.. .. )

    Brian, . r e: " When something is truy abhorrent no ammount of rationalisation can make it acceptable. "

     ..There is still a hibrit t h i n g in the sentence.. IT i s not,a thing  to " feed "  " U.". ( you wouldn't eat it in anyway; mentally or fleshy..-andinstall in " U'r " structure-.. ) ..if " U "  "still s e e ";   it, it was 4 U to " e a t " , then, that " abhorrent thing " wortHs doing that,  as a j o b;   " 4 the sake of theART , i n g ". -that is it has right to eXist, in that " field of art-

    ..Irena and Daniel were mentioning; " Judgement " o r " Assessment " ..
    Judgement + Assessment = " N A M E  i t "

    ..that i s;
    "  CONTEMPORAy ART; i s an affort to ; " N A M E  it "   "
     .. (that is, they use black face of maths, grey stomach of the  concepts, installations i n s -and outs-, happenings to involve U in;-or out-,, &perFORmance to include both,  impro +change + metamrphosis;  and ; e.ct.

     ( b e c a us e, there are many things miXed in Human nature,  ;  "  these HYBRiD; T H i N G s; "   have to b e, eXcluded out from the BODy o f the "  HUMAN  " ; structure.
    ...and that is to " clean " t h e ; " PATH of the A R T "  .
    ( of course,  pure- h u m a n- BODy, and the " Spirit " ; c a n -and has to- ExİST; i n, that, " OPEN PATH  of ARTs " ..

    ..b u t I think; the " AGE " of " Contemporary art, , is vanishing..too..
    ..because I think, " computer's simply supply us " absolute Wolume " and a " Machine "  to MAKE; " anything " ; " CONTEMPORARy " .. ( that is all these contemporary actions can be put into computers; inner absolute space and; that machine (and comp.-Programs ) shall;  "  N  A  M   E;  i t "   ;  "  every  T H i N g  "  , otomatically ..(

    S O, if  someone is trying to " NAME i T " ; -in a contemporary-work- then we shouldn't go that space,  , as we are  going , to a restaurant..


    ..are they art,   -contemporary art- ..N O they are not; (because human is not included i n ..)
    ARE they, i n,  the "ART Field " ..YES, they are.. ( to do some job 4 ;  "  individuals-art-path " ) ..
    ..main thing to point here i  s ;  ARCHiTECTURE; (as classified; as art ) ; has been; eXcluded by; Fine arts,and the other arts; -cinema is the 7-...along; time in the History o f art.(we live in architectural buildings but w e, do not talk; "architectre " ..do we  )

    SO;  that is a period of ; " revenge of the architects "  ; A  G  E :: (as all contemporary art can b e said as; interrior-and space-design..  of that architects mathematical and intellectual a c t  s.  -and actionof the fcts,maybe..- ..)


    Marchel Duchamp; -the French man-; has had tried to slowen that; " slide " to  "  architect's-intellectualism  " ; ( by telling ;artists should depend on ENGiNEERinG-DESiGNs .. -artistic design has slidden , into that;  " engineering design " ; he saw..-  ( as  in " the Fountain " ) ;b u t,  , " coming of thet revenge -of architects-  w a s; v e r y strong " ..they sweept u s to, TOday..

    L e o n  r d o, DA Vinci, ( also an ENGiNEER )  was (and is )  the main, " THiNG " " Figure  "   ; Like BACH in Music..i  n  ART ..( but this is an other, topic ,to talk on )..

    H o w DO; U; " NAME i t " .. " Andy WARHOL " .. what did he do as a contemporarian ..( do not turn around; the task, ;Just " NAME i t " ..MAME a Thing that has NAMED; many THiNG  s.. ( but how canHE; b e named; -as what did he DiD-

    Titus; " painting " ; " and PAiNT  " ; -and Penture- is the,  " m a i n " THiNG; i n art..there is the differance between; " sculpture " -or statue- and , painting.. ( when thinkg 7 art deciplines; Paintng is inth MiDDLE  )   (it is very important; if something is ,  two dimentional..all three-dimensional things shall " f i g h t " .. ) ( but after contemporary-art; that fight has been put into one-dimension; ( and it is the " direction " of that capitalism, i n  "  true and regular raasoning; intellectualism of the PUBLiC architects..  " . )






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    .. b e e eeeeeee en " O 'D A " şirketinde MODDANiS
    ... " in my e y e " ; what happened here..

    contemporary experiment :

    ABSURD + ABSTRACT = A b s o l u t e
    T i t us + Murat = Zero degree Kelvin.( VENUS TiTs i n the MILK )

    Contemporary takes place if funda mentals are; m e l t e d..

    Art; has an absolute a r e a ; where Temperature should decrease, -for human- ( Finally ,reduction goes to the FORM ) and " human " should increase the temperature (with content )..so art is an , equilibrium, ..

    Many artists become colder and colder; (because of the absolutness installed in them ), and they need to be warmth; b y a heat provider.. ( and that has been Matt.. )..

    Artists are not avare of that they have a " hybrid; absolutness " ( that is the DOG shit,in the can ; -as was in a contemporary work-..); ..

    Matt, as far as U do not seem to h a v e these; " cold-absurd-abstract; mixture " in U'r Mind , y e t .. I think, U can fill i n , ( at least U are openminded, and have no obstacles in y e t ) and a progressive, a healty traffic, can happen , h e r e.

    p.s. I am the one who gives head-aches with VAKUMs here ..because, there are many " fill in blanks " that I can not; fill i n h e r e .. ( because my intellect is locked; and it blocks these deeds of mine, -they are reserved to be installed into my art soon- ..( in fact we are all the same; we block our minds for our artistic reasons ...( they heat their mind s; by social talks to forget that absolute thurst and artistic " cold " hidden in them .. )
    S O, it has been good " a hot feet " that can walk every direction, " and can take any " s h a p e " ; easily.is here.

    ..of course; I ( am to ); test i f U could walk; i n my art L a n d s ..and with my " i n t e l l e c t " ..

    I am a Hidden, Contemporarian; leaked into that; F o r u m.. ( letme confess U that, &do not tell others ) but I am a p u r e -humaniterian leaked into contemprarianism , e i he..r-. on the other hand.

    I have a very hot " feet " that carry me to;WALK with that -4 art- deciplines that; I DO.. " ,but I become " abstract " ,in that; Professioals Club Forum " ..


    I thought I would hire U; -20 000 a month- ; because U can tell every body, where and how; I (the artist) and art walk s -and walked- , ONCE; with my primitive " runig feet " . to produce d e e d s ; ,before I did, m y; art .. ( b u t, that should happen i f U; wouldn't D O; " any a r t " .. ) -I should tell U how my art walked,, and U should experiance i f that is true and genuine..as U will b e a intellectual for art-

    ..in art schooling; , they teach how to make art .. (that is the problem ) .. I am not an art school; graduate; and, I walked all the WAY; -all bare foot-, ..( but because art was not taught me; I am to DO; 4 deciplines of art; every day ..to be included b y; art-or to be born in the art medium s of art's ..) but although I am a " outside-walker " -as U said U DO SO; too-; , I can not tell the stories , to the schoolers..( who were stuck, i n there ..in verious shapes )

    ..m y long lasting; writings; b o r e; school-artist -art-History-preachers- ( because they are over their limits , -" bored already for years "- in that architects ART-History-MAKiNGs &planning s ) ..
    it seems U are a long runner;( U'r posts seem so ) and shall not be bored, quickly, .
    ( i f U are not a art maker, U'r breth will b e enough, ), to fallow my fast; acts; &MOVES,.. I am a " hard-player " in art, ; I need a slow; and faitfull, asistant ..

    ( should any artist give up being artist, and o n l y " fallow " m e .&my a r t.
    ..

    ..I make to many " repeats " to b o r e, neglective, f a l l o w e r s .. I Thnk..

    .. " did U like my surreal story 4 U " ..





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    " Mask XII. Liberated " .. did U see, MY; p r i m i t i v e; " BULL Mask. "

    .. https://www.facebook.com/moddanis/media_set?set=a.10201799146313512.1073741834.1027582449&type=3

    ..say something, please.. to make s e n s e.












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    ..so U assume that; " t i t s " are human .. ( does that MAKE; m e HUMAN; o r am I only Tits .. ) -but U still say that U can not swim in t h e M i L K - ,, I am the M i l k provider, ..unfortunately.

    U, have to know some thing, I am a " homework " maker.. ı write my writings on my paper every day; with my own hands .. (that means my writings are in my hands ) ..and when I am to write on the keyboard, it is too easy; -and freeky-, to use, a keybord.. SO; my mind, " dances " with the; machine l e t t e r s.. o n keyboard.. ( and regularly written; Alphabet letters begin to d a n c e ; W h e n, Jumped; o n the keybord..f r o m my H and)

    ..b u t ; , even knowing that , wouldnt, ,make U thirsty; ..

    Titus, Just kiding..playing mind games.. ( dancing in my Mind ) ..o n l y.

    .. " Tits; 2 T i T' us " U say. . ( nothing else.. to Titus..) .. o n L y.



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    " Murat has the wrong idea about what it means to be an 'artist'. "
    ....impro on that sentence :


    T i t us, " I am art " , -I was to say,that , may b e, in the begining-, , " so art, has to be humanitive, ( if I could- Abstractly-expressed, m e. -&if I w a s, human-) ; ..


    ( or I was acting like; " I WAS, a r t " ..and I ;was toABSTR A C T m e; otherwise, it might b e Culture.. -not art- )

    ..it should come " absurd " to people, who w e r e to b e; - or made- " artists " .. (to abstract m e ), b u t, truth may be put, in the first raw.

    ..but U, present ; U'r self ; as an ; " ABSURD " -s o nothing can be more absurd 2 U-; ..; p e r s o n , ( in an ordinary style ), and I L i K E; that..

    ..if that is not Absurd, i enough, take that.. " oıt983q3*cğ3492 9484?)()(&+^', " , as U can " w r it e " those;, too, ; I consider, U can; r e a d ; them, too.. (and I think ,U WiLL ) ..( & I belive U can.. accept this or not, I've written..i t . abstract; , -not abstracted-..)

    ..( coming from my baroque, Tit s. ..)





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      ExCUSE; M E, p e o p l e..I thought that was,a " Contemporary art " ; or " Abstract art " ; F o r u m..thank U Irena, reminding m e , that, ı write like, an " Abstract " a r t er. ( so I recognised that here it is an " art PROFESSioanls Club " , Forum ) ..S O, it is true Daniel, and Lorraine, ,I was, trying to collect " attantion " u s e less l y, on my writing style; -that was abstract-art writing; for abstracters-; but , only f e W; could, feed that attantion-n e e d ed..and I apprecite, to them..

      I can b e; " forgetful " to look at the upper Title of the Forum before, -- I jump i n- ..because , I am; swallowed -or absorbed- i n; -by- " THiNGs " , always..,that brings t h i s " brake-o u t; process " , to be; Free..
      * is the opposite way with trying to;get in things to make them rea-l.. ( and Lorraine is to be able to DO; that, too, -I learned-,. " with a little help of the friends " , ). .. .. and I think there is no one who wants to b e; " A B S T R U C T ed " (by falling into my TRAPy Writings , .. e i t h e r .. ( Daniel U deserved a true abstraction, indeed ) ; b u t , NO need 4 that, for that..

      Maybe; I thought I was the " CHauffer " ;, ..o n l y.. -with m y " baroque block f l u t e " Tits-..h e r e.. (under n e a t h ...t h e FORUM.. ) )


      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1B__8N5d_LA








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    D a n i el, say that,
    "  I am " installing i n "  some " broken glass e s " in these, " writing boXes " ; ,-and these writings  tell  obviously; that " they  are BROKEN ; even to the  E y e.."

    ...( ,when U can  look at them with U'r o w n eyes- )  ..DO; U think I have to DO; m o r e, 4 U;  to  obey what "  eyes  c a n  see  " .. DO I have to write; " DO not step, and WALK in them; " every time .., and then they come with the complaint , "  4 their feet w e r e ; bleeding  "..
    " the use of "  f r e e sun "  light must have made, these people; , to that " e a s y "  ..
    ( it is Obvious ,now, if Capitalists; should p u t a " price " on the use; o f, " the sun light " too. and I wouldn't blame them, 4 that..

    "  Nobody likes stepping in broken glass " ..Who said, that  " cliche " was to be taught to ,everyONE.. (and every one has to, obey ..) .. WHO; knows, if there will be  "  someONE; "  ,who will l i k e to WALK; i n, " broken glassy-WRiTiNGs " ..when he/she will be looking 4 it..isn't that ; SiTE; a place for leaving messages to the future ,as well..ISN't W r i t i n g , universal, a THiNG..   ( or is it; a place u s e d as an eXtra; SUN-ROOM; i n the electronic, m e d i u m .. ) .. I  thought I  w a s; " wRiTing " here.." .. ( should I say excuse, m e if I couldn't shine like sun does.. )

    " ıt is a pain " .
    .i f it is " a PAiN "  then,; ,I am the first O N E; WHO WALKs; o n these " broken glases " ; inthrough, -and i n ward- .. ( if it is a trap, I can walk through i t, and i f U step, in that TRAP;  ( -because U can not recognise; " broken glasses " even with U'r eyes; and RATiO s-.)   ...means U may, WALK-out from   " a  TRAP  " ; b y the " traces " I  M A KE; 4 the fallower..
    ..that also means; , U shot U'r eyes,  ;  that U might b e cought up, -or trapped- i n ..

    ..w h y ; I WAS;  " b r o k e n,  M Y  SELF " .. that was the MAiN; question , to that; READing, from my writing..

    ...glasses may be broken, and U change U'r way not to step, i n..b  u t  why does someone brake, himself -his mind- .. ( who gives permission to that happen.. ) ..U have to " brake "  " THiNGS , if U are to, " construct "  i t, begining, from   t h e  " Totally N E W " .. i f  U are to make something, " U HAVE to BRAKE every thing -even U'r self is included in that-   .. there has to b e " absence " ; i  f , something N E W, should occur , t h e r e..

    I am not in common use..do not invite me into that..they would say, " take it or Leave it, where it stands..do not get into it, and, change the position it stands..  ( that still is a common habbit, to get into " U'r" childreen and, make them obey, U'r way of thinking..it is too, e a s y, to , do  the work ..  -and my wife does that too, too often.. )   " what I WROTE ..may be it was not " w r i t t e n "  to, U..  ( does it mean it was written 4 U; i f U unfortunetely read,  i t , i n, U )..   r e a d  i t,  OUTSiDE; o f U ..

    Dani el, m y intelligance d o e s not work, F o r m a l; as U'r s DOES.. ..( anyone can see that, it shows, doesn't it..)  ..Are U a regular architect, I am intested,in U..SO; I wrote that long, " and eXpressed; my intelligance,  s i n c e r e l y , to  U ..
    ..but I know U are a true regular, that wouldn't write my name, e i t  h e r.. (but has right to touch me, already ) ..
     ( did I write U'r s,  D  a  ni;  e  l .-that is a broken glass,-DO not be mistaken-,  not U'r name- ..)

    ..Irena, did I try to, " comunicate " , h e r e.. or , the " comunication "   ;w a s, what D a n i el,  did.. ( write ) ,4 m e.

    Daniel, " I made my fails " ; I w a s dropped, i n U; a b o v e .. ..and I wanted that, " m i s e r y " and it has been written to everyONE,  whose " attansions "   were not active, enough.  ( am I trying to g e t, " attantion " o n me..I am not selfish as t h a t..instead, I am trying to pay attantion to WHAT;  I  realy, " W R İ T E " , and, WHAT;  they really a r e ; a b o u t ..
    ..b u t, it is somewhat  true, that,; there is to much " Side SLiP   attansion " happens here and;  m y " 4 SiDED " devisions are not enough to, collect them, i  N;  -them-

    Daniel, say that " I am special " indeed. (  so ,d o e s that; make U, smaller.. -or bigger,if it that speciality was true ..) why should  I express that to, U. . -and involve U i n - ..maybe I am special and I want to share it with U..tell m e why I am not special, ,then -if U are talking " tht speciality " .. " say something on that; -as I was expressing, only that point, i n my writings- ..to cominucate, with m e..

    I think; U have a " being special " " wish " hidden , i n U; -some h o w-; and it takes the e  a s y way out; as telling " r e a l " and regular, proses. ..( L e t it, free, I offer ..) .. -but U wouldn't offer me ,anything; and I know, that..-







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    DanieL's : 
     " If the artist was true - completely and exclusively - to himself, the public has a chance of understanding eventually. "  ..

    ..f i r s t; of ALL; ,if Artist, p u t s; " ALL " his/her " L i F e " ; and " L i V e  ness " ; into,  a r t; ,then; " human " in art, i s " UNiC " ..  ( and complate.. not devided into many things; also inart and Public ))
    ...  S  O;  PEOPLE; w h o are to, L i v e with;  a r t-W o r k s; ; " has to b e HUMAN " -totally Human- 4 Artist, O N C E;  ; succeeded.. ..( be totally Human in art-Country; then U can become; a MONSTER; -or a ROBOT- outside; -Iwouldn't care ,if someONE;  is Monster or not; I have to establish my defence, already-  ..

    .." Public has a chance " o f understanding , eventually..
    ..people ; -if they can be h u m a n; as well; ,by using their DNA; heritage; & they might, want to take that road of being human in art; ; - s o m e time s-  ..-to see h o w Does it ;WORK ) ..

    .. b u t, the MOST; i m portant THiNG; i s.. " i s there a SECULAR;  art; " acting  f r e e ly; in a " river " , where " human " can s w i m;  " a l o n e   " .. ( that is; U DO; not need those, -in the middle- people ,should say, what is in there; or what is happening in art actually; that ordinary p e o p l e ; can not  s e e ..  ( b e c a u s e ; a r t ; can MAKE; ALL it' s MOVES; concrate; ,, t  o  anyONE; w h o, tryes t o ; b e involved; and ; g e t DAWN; into, i t ' s ; " DAWN " ..

    ..I personally; TAKE; m y; SONy Camera; (N2); and " go into the Painting..because free improvisations; N E E D; to b e ; FRAMED; -or u can not see, anything ,because of the " duality " of art; occuring with all that envoriment ; " nested in ,and in.. " ..
    I also; have to come near in correct directions; s o ; things of art-river; shall " g e t some FORM " ; for my; e y e;  -and MY Ratio;- will descover these, FORMS of art; ;  S O -by my ratio; shall install these FORMiNGs, to, these " art r i v e r "  " arty- n a t u  r e d " ; T H i N G s; made Of, or occur in .. , the PAiNT ..

    S  O; U should't, t r y;   t o ; " install "  " F O R M s "  ; D U R i N G; that, " native " & primitive, "  creatures  " , s h a ll " s w i m " ; in that; f r e e-Medium; art-and paint- r i v e r.. (art-humanitive, shouldn't occur with, FORMiNG ; -of RATiO- synchoronous..  .that is ,.installing of the F O R M; should b e ; projected; o n;  ; these;  " natural "  arty T h i n g s , that swim;  U P; the  r i v e r, to the; eternal;  so u r s e;     g  a  t  e ..   by a FHOTO; ViSiON;  M A K E R;  to  OUR;  E Y E S .. only..














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    ..I am coming a little, b e h i n d ,, b u t ..
    ( and I will b e behind because, I have " packed " and " Blocked " boXes; in my mind; and I shouldn't o p e n these, " pandora boXes " i n every c a s e.. )


    Daniel, re:

    'I believe the artist has an absolute obligation to not be indifferent to his art. The public is another matter entirely. If the artist was true - completely and exclusively - to himself, the public has a chance of understanding eventually. If not, the public need not bother: the work would not be worth the trouble'.

    ...first of all, D a n i e l; is talking, in m y direction,, .. ( and he is understandable, -I am not- )

    ..I can say; being Artist -was- always " needed " that hard work. ..That is, it is true 4 today 2. ( may be much more then, was ever ) ..All U'r positionings has to b e; Located; 4 the art..I play basketball 4 art. I write; ( -to establish a BASE; to pass inthrough art a r e a ) ;only for art making..and when U make it all in ONE-DAY; they have " intersections " with each other and; " interFaces " ; " interactive-actioning " underneight ..

    ..I n MY; s a y i n g ; I say; " an Artist has to carry all his/her acts into; the ART-COUNTRY.. if I am to fight; or argue with someONE; from the PUBLiC; I wouldn't DO; that, outside; -in the Public- .. I have to came to my Atolier ( or Studio ) and, WRiTE it; DAWN; first ..( put it into, the Letters of the ALPHAbeth..) then, it shall grow to my sound art, or my making sports; or into my; PAiNTings eventually..
    i f; some one NAMES; himself/herself; artist; then I look; if he/she; ; fights; with the public.. ( that is; fight is to " install " a THiNG; into ,someone; -or into Puclic- and trying to make; himself " present " in the PUBLic; by that , installation; o f his/her....)

    ...and THAT; SHOULD; be N a m e d ; a s; "M A K E; i n g; the PUBLic " ..( not establishing your human-life into the " art country " ..) ( SO; when U are " ALİVE-&Kicking " ; U have to put that into art' s M e d i U M s. SO; art can b e ; " a L i V i n G; THiNG " and then; someONE; c a n L i v i; i n THERE..
    ..art Making; n e e d s ; Totally; D E V O T i O n.. ..( SO; A r t ist is; " ARTist " ; O N L y; what ever he/she D O E S .. ( ...but all has to be DONE; 4 ART i n g ..)

    SO this was 4 ; ; " an absolute obligation to not be indifferent to his art " .





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    " RATiO " is, " t H E; PROCESSOR " ; to devide; b y 4.. ( sO; RATiO; is installed in the Painting; from that DOOR; o N L y.

    ...a n D; " the Absolute S O U L " ; ( that carries; the original BEing; orEXistence ) has to B E; HiDDEn, i n that; RATiO .. ( and Unic SOUL; enters into the painting, from that unic -4Side- PROCessor.. )











































    T i t u s, I LOVE, to write, " that, word "  .. (it has a light when I think it is a Turkish word.. I t has a special light in i t.. and suits Turkish..) U wouldn't be sorry .. because I wouldn't read them, again..either.. they have a special " lock " in them, -or make a puzzle- -located into my Mind; at least-  ,and then, one day, when an other; part, is found, -or made in mind- ; then; " THE PUZZLE " will, WORK , and might give a " picture "  ..t h e n.

    S O  "  LOCKing, M i nd " , is an other; " m e t h o d " ..if there is a lock, then; Mind begin to create  a " key " there, .





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    " beauty is a side effect of the structure " said,T i t u s.
    ..to extend some. if there are too many structures; being expressed; (in art DOing ) then how should they be, in a -system- o r in a SYMmetry -when still going on to operate- .. ..( I think, there occures; the aesthetics , as " a basic mixed platform " ; establishes from the free crash of these structures.. ) (when aesthetics -the science of beauty- begin ; to occur, ;then, ; ; there begins the float; -or happen- , o f the " beauty " ..

    ...I could call " beauty " , a SYSTEM, ( Like an ANGEL,,) that came ON, to that crash of ongoing SYSTEMs. .." that crash intersection " becomes, the " main force " ; to float; ( to carry ) all these " ships " that crashed; and there has occured holes; i n their " bodies "

    ..SO; i f there has been " beauty " occurance, in a multi-structure system -on going- , then, I can say, there has came an " ANGEL " ; to float, all these striking systems, still with the system o f the" God's " Path..

    ART is an other kind of FORCE; I admit. ART establishes; the lack of structures; -or absence of beauty..Art goes with, abstractions, that obtains silent moves of space; or time..these absolute Volumes, ( making things absolute and absurd should obtain that VAKUM; and " a Mirror effect " , that will lead, t h e w a y; With that ; " every thing that are; moving onward.." )

    S O; I can say, beauty is a socialist " side effect " that happens in multi working systems; and ART; DOES, the SAME; effect, but using -or MAKiNG- a " VAKUM " o f Things, and Systems, or structures.. to f i n d OUT; where all these things G O; t o . ( the WAY ..things are MOViNg o n ..-and also space, dimensions, mass, e.c.t too ..)
    ART is a contra a c t .. I guess..

    ..this is like " white and " black, differance, too ..White-L i g h t; has to be carrying " beauty " -ANGEL;-THiNG.. (So i f Light wears the colors and collect them on the way of Light, again, then there l i e s ; beauty, o n g o i n g, in the Flow..
    B L A C K; is, the ABSOLUTE-VOLUME; -or VACUM-, where darkness happens..(NoTHiNG; can be, i n it..and if something has been forced to be in there, ,it reflects; that thing; O U T; -and that is the magic and FORCE; o f the ART ..
    ...but that still has the Value, about how THiNGs act -or what is the nature of Things- ..

    ..both " light &ABSOLUTE Darkness " ; are Alike, ,when investigating, the NATURE; o f the T H i N G s .. ( this is a speculation, ı can imagine , for NOW.. )














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    .." woman "; are " circle " ; i f " U " ,like.. ZERO gives US; all, L i F E .. ..and all Numbers..; I have to go.. nw..











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    ..unlucy is 3; and; also ; " triangle " too .. (Bermuda triangle, it was, was it ) ..

    i n SQUARE; ; U have " 2 paralell lines; and Twice " .. anyway; I wish U a very NEW; 2014 with; the " 4 " .. if u accept.. (and all of U people.. 

    ..(that is I hope everyone will use ; " ratio' s " ; to come " parallel " , to, each OTHER .. )





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    T i t u s; l e t me Make a JOKE.. ( man 2 man) .. " U " wouldn't ignore -or deny- , the Total act; of " a " " F i n g e r " ..-all by itslef-; if i t is; the " b i g MiDDLE F i n g e r " -with, every man-.. 
    ..When I aim to write a letter; with all my BRAiN; ( every Letter deserves to be drawn; by ONE ToTAL; Brain ) , ONE BRAiN; has to be; carried; to that " An " AlphaBeth L e t t e r .. ;all by " ONE F i n g e r " .. .. ( that is every Letter; deserves; a Brain and a brain-POiNTer-1 Finger.. ) 

    ..When U write fast; " U'r " Brain has to, devide; into, many letters; and that is to underestimate, " every " " single ALPHAbeth L E T T E r " .. 

    Also in Piano playing .. " U " shouldn't L E A R N; to PLAY with too many, fingers.. at a time .. NOWAdays, there are ; intelligent klaviers; and U can, play every thing ,with " a finger " ; every time; but t h e n, combine them; together, to Make, music ; by " writing-ON-the former-SOUND-work " ..



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    ..b u t my; Writings are; " SQUARE " .. that means; -U read 1/4 of the letters, and U have to fill in " 4 Sides ", all by " U' r self " .. .. S O; " U " can not read them, e a i s l y .. (that I Guess.. ) ( Some say, my 1 page is zipped; -that is one page is zipped from a 40 -eaisy-reading- pages-.. SO; they are difficult.. )

    .. b u t, to be Frank, ; if reading is difficult; then, they may b e, " difficult " to, understand, .. t o o .. (..difficult till some one understands it with native Labor, all by him/her self.. ) S O; as U said once, some has to b e ; " in the MOOD " , to read and understand, " what " I wrote.. that, i s, , m e neither, DO not know, , how my writing shall GO ON, while writing, them; , too..

    4 is important; and a " square " ; also.. .. T u v a l; is 4 sided .. (and just 4 that reason; I have a " writing performance " ..I write, 4 Writings on a Topic.. -on a paper- ..What ever I write, it has to be, " 4 Writings " written; afterWARDs..-non stop- ; and it takes; 1.5 hours; to sit and write, these 4 Writings; on a Page, every time.. ) (So I can practice to devide; my Topics, of my PAiNTiNGs; to 4, -that is, there has to be ; 4-picturing-PARTs; i n a TUVAL ..-in a Painting- too ..








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    T i t u s; My Typing; is with 2 Finger.. but I can say; i t is fast; because, My Brain is made fast by, my 4 DOings.. (writing, shooting baskets, Playing Piano; and using a spatula, to slide on colors, freely.. as I 've told.. )

    S O M E; say, they belive in " 4 Winds "; together winding on a Hill. I suppose, MY 4DOings, bring many ; " THiNGs " to be converted; into, " Word s " , fast ..
    S O; river runs,fast;& my 2finger s , Twist ..i n it..








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    Betsy, NO Wories, Mate..(talking from, Au..)

    My brother lives in Sydney.I 've been to AU; for 3 months..and I saw, and lived with some Aborigins; -I mean on the streets- ..

    ..but I Think and act, -in the mind- with my original Language,that is, Turkish.. it does not have much words; but they say, U can make mathematics; with this languge.. ( or they say it is very soft to the e a r .. -like water sound- ) We have, İ,ı,ç,ş, Ğ, ü , ö, letters different then, latin Alphabeth.. ( some say Turkish Alphabeth was in the origins of Latin Alphabeth..Etrusks gave this Alphabeth to ROMA Ns .. -& DNA tests,say Etrusk s were, Turks-..
    There are many former SOViET; Turkish States now, -in Middle ASiA- ,Talking ancient -elementary- Turkish, ; our Language has got many words from Persians and Arabs ..( of course if the sound and roots fit.. )








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    " Reading through this and visualizing it without the eccentric typography and grammar,
    this is some of the most beautiful prose I have seen in a long, long time.

    It is electrifyingly clear and bright.


    I do gather he's also giving someone the business but I'm sort of ignoring that part. " 




    ....can U tell m e, " what DOES " " giving someone the business " m e a n ..

    ..in my way of understanding, , I would say, 1- " I am a Chemistry teacher " -and a Chemical Engineer- .. ,2- " my father was a teacher too, SO; I got used to,,-WAS to- be able to teach anything, that I " would ; L E A R N" ..SO; I can say, I am the first one here, to b e e d u c a t e d , by m e, and in " Learning, s t i ll " , h e r e, in my Writings, too..

    .." ..-and the, first ONE; I would t e a c h, was to b e; ME; of course..- -and everyone has to b e in a state of " l e a r n i n g " , -any time of t h e L i f e- ..and that can b e ; told as, an Ideology, may b e.. -

    ..if I understand, the word " business " , Y e s, I would like to give people, my experience to b e in the same business; ..I think anyone can DO; i f I can ..

    ..thank U 4 your, bright, and clearifying words ..




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    ...what, i s happening, h e r e..Nowadays..

    ..m y Point, is, , there is a process; o f " Making a SOUND; STATUE " , -or a sculpture- by Using the " sound " in cominucation-WORDs..

    .. i f; U want, to MAKE; U'r s e l f; a " SOUND SCULPTURE " ; there is a Easy way..

    WATCH; m e ,-please- ,-and please me, with U'r touchings- on my wideo,..... and DO; the same, to collect; U'r " SOUND Side-of U'r BODy " .. " BODY of SOUND " , S O, I would offer.. ( I H o p e.. )



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z03lssipKJ8&feature=c4-overview&list=UUoclApcUHJH_NyOZI_kqZ8Q





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    .T i t u s..Friend.. I am in these ; Blades, of a Tetter.. ( and being CUT; b y M U L T i, blades.. there is an ONGOiNG; process, i n me, -deviding me into, 4 Bodies, each moment- that is, to write and play Piano,and paint, and dance -or shoot basketball- , when; Writing; and they eventually, " come to surFace " and I; have to " MARK " them , -somehow- with these, TYPing-Manupulations " .. S o r r y, 4 that,.. otherwise I could not begin to write.. it is the same when I play basketball, or play Piano, o r, when P A i N T ing, too..




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    Titus, U can try to read, parts; -and the parts DOES occur,in my writing,naturally- ,and that should ease the reading.. ( everything written shouldn't be read, continuously,,I think..there must be parts and apart piecees..) (so, U can choose, sentences, U are interested, only, I can offer.. ) thanks for telling me that..




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    Can a painting g be abstract and figurative at the same time?



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      Daniel, I agree, " not to throw any work " ..
      .. b u t ; after a serial W O R K; period is complated..ALL that has been, DONE; has to b e, be put -in a " BOX "- , and; S O; , " U " , b e able, not to see, t h e m ..

      ...t h e n; there comes that; c h o o s i n g, process.. ( My WAY of DOing that " choosing " is to, look at every work; from " 4 Sides " by ; turning them ..and I also, " c h o o s e " 1 dominant; S i d e; and M a r k that; behind the tuval.. ( by the way I use what they call Bristol carton, for work these serials -100X70 cm- ..and bright-acrilic-paint .. )

      S O; WHAT; I am saying is; there are; " DOMiNANT " ( CLEAR THiNGs that has occured, spontaneously while abstracting ) S i D E s..and less dominant S i d e s, and the " b a d " Sides; too .. S O; how many dominant S i d e s ; U can, have in a painting; ; that is the VALUE; o f that; painting .. ( how perfect -and clear- that; deviding by 4 process has been occured.. )

      ..after classifying, t h e WORKs; U wouldn' t have to look at , " bad " ones. (but they still have to be, w a i t i n g ; -in U'r archive-; 4 what was the; TOTALL; PERFORMANCE; that, has Happened.. i n ...; -art i s A system; art works occur ,i n a system-

      p.s : so I have 5000 painting impro works, in my archive ..
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      Bill; My main ( result ) stream is with the " painting " .. ..WHEN COME t o ; m y W r i t i n g ..
      ...because I am to " improvise at ONCE " with paint; , -f a st-, , My Lines ( Writing has, both " Lines of an abstract painting " ; ( -letters are abstracted Lines ,too- ) ; in the Letters; and " the story " of the painting, that will b e expressed while abstracting; -ABSTRACT-EXPRESSiON- it may be said.. ) are to b e " installed " in my Writings..


      ...that is; , " m y WRiTiNGs are to " BLOCK " ; Abstract L i n e s -Letters- , and , my Tales, that will b e EXPRESSED; i n t o; t h e P a i n t .. ( SO; I think my Writings has THAT " LOCK " to BLOCK; everything in, ; -except, paint- .. while painting that block will let everything fill i n the COLORs, and the PAiNT .. )


      ..I feel good, when there are people, " that can see " and know ,what I DO,in the Paint ..( what I do -in the Paint- comes from, m y " BLOCKing-FORMAT " writing s..) ..SO; I Admire, who can say " I love your work " , easily..


      ...... SO; Abstract Painting impro; needs that; " WRiTiNG PerFormance " ; DONE, before, " Touching the Paint " .. ..Paint ,-and the nature of the color- only accepts; " what has been written -p u t - into Alphabeth letters , and words of the Language " ; due to the nature of the color ....of course, color nature will change t h e WAY; , how " l i n e s " ; of the, Painting , shall O C C U R -acting within paint-..)

      ( Abstraction -and Absolute Volume in Abstraction- shall give that space to " c o l o r " ; to bend; both " space&time " and the " l i n e s " that will, free l y; F O R M; " t h e H i d d e n; F i G u r a T i O N " .. -e v e n i n ; ABSTRACTion- ..( or in Abstracted Painting )

      L a s t thing; MODERN PAiNTing; is to devide; A FiGURE ( or a classical STORY )..into " 4 sides " ..and that deviding process; ; -or devided 4 parts- can be defined as; " a b s t r a c t e d " ; -in the ,first degree- -that is more likely a scientific approach to primitive abstraction, a s; MODERN; has that " 4 n e w definations of the F i g u r e " ..

      p.s. Latin Alphabeth L e t t e r s; ( the lines of letters ) can be seen as they all w e r e ; written (drawn ) in; " imaginary squares " -while writing- .. S O; Writing is a " primitive " (rehearsal ) w o r k of abstraction; t o be ,carried, to the TUVAL; (into the Paint ), then, -when on tuval in the paint &color.. ..

      S O; someone w h o, makes abstract, Painting has to, turn it on 4 sides..it is perfect if there are, definable-figurations, on 4 sides.. and how " clear " they are ..
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      Jim, I think; WHiTE -of snow- has to be found , in the nature -in the real snow- first. T h e n when I c o m e to the TUVAL; , there is that W h i t e; -and white Light- -or snow- in Front of m e, so I can , paint any color, on it; -on the SNOW- ..
      ..-i n ,other WORDs-; , ALL the colors -all the paint- that will appear on the TUVAL; ; will b e coming out , from, that; " W H i T E " .. that means ,because U put pressure on that; " W h i t e " ; all colors shoul come out from that; " white-light " ; -or say white-paint-

      ...S O; That " white "; has to stay; there , after U made other-color painting Job. ( that means, D O; not spoil, that " origin-white " ; after U made that color improvisations , out of, " white " .. ( the stream, and the Source, ; has to b e; together, on the; ViSiON.. for our, eye..when looking a painting.. )

      I complately agree, what Marc says.. there has to occur something " n e w " -a Flower; on the SNOW- ; when Using, COLORs.. ( a Flower has to bloom; and that has to b e ; NEW; to, the artist; ,too..) I call this, a c t i o n; ;as " eXpression " ; , first....but then because it has to b e; FAST; -a quick act;to be born- ; , it has to b e named as a " fast improvisation " ; & that I call ; " improvisation at ONCE " ..

      W H E N; " improvisation at ONCE " ; happens; (it is a very fast eXpression, that contains surreal, and; impression, and e.c.t.in it too,; ,simultaneously; ; and SO; interactively; that art history deciplines; act spontaneously; ..-spontaneous parallel with the human nature- ) ,and , there has to b e; a " CREATURE " b e EXPRESSED; o u t ; on to the TUVAL.. ( a creature because; ,when artist improvises; it is acording to, ( or with ) that, human-creature; we are ; i n ..(aFigurativeSystem )

      S O; to m e ; ," ABSTRACTED " ; is a " Creature " ( from OTHER WORLDs; SO; it has to be NEW i n the nature or content..) that L i V e s; in M E; -made parallel ; and simetric ,to Human nature- ; " meantime " .. S O; I have to, love that creature, ( or created, ) ; and " caress "; i t using -my loving-writing-letters..writing has to creass; t h e creation; that is sleeping i n U ..and act parallel -and simetric- to that creature; , ( or b e ing, that is living and being BiGGER ..in U.

      THEN; I Play a Basketball; G A M E; a Match that will b e finished at the point 101.. ( a very long game, to make creature, r e a d y to JUMP-O U T .. ); and, it is wild enough, to COME; o u t, then; B i R T H; shall, b e g i n .. ... that will be; into sound; into paint; or into alphabeth; -as a n e w writing-; that includes that; BEing; o r " CREATURE " in.. ..

      S O; " abstraction " ,shall b e gained, using a " SYSTEM " ; -and that SYSTEM; shall b e ; HUMAN-itself-.. .. of course, there shall b e; " a b s t r a c t i o n s " .. because; the nature of the " creature " -or creation- won't b e semilar, to, What HUMAN-nature-creation, eXactly,and actually; i s . .. ( so I call this kind of abstraction; , " hidden Humanity; in the CREATURE -or creation- " ..

      S O; there i s, a " KEY " to open that DOOR; ; o f " ABSTRACTED " -or abstraction.. , o r ; say " A B S T R A C T i O N " , in a " F i g u e r e "; SYSTEM; -HiddenHuman, is the KEY- B A S E S ..
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      to continue..the writing above..

      2-..and Jim, ,,I WAS; to, F i r e " a STOVE " ; -every day- -and coal was to be used, in it- ,- when, I was to, go to a Town in North Turkey, for teaching Chemistry; in a high scholl- , and I was to wear a " BLACK " coat, -black as COAL- as I w a s a teacher.. and there were black-crows every where.. and big balck water-bufalos to pull;over rice fields.. (ALL 4 BLACK s determined; -or deveded- to the 4 SideD;Painting..

      and the blue and " R E D " , f i r e Light; , impressed M E; -red fire L i g h t- &; went into my red paint, directly- .. ; -and SO; m y, REDs; h a d an i n n e r L i g h t-; ; , -when I painted RED-; ,o n these, SNOWY; M a u n t a i n s .. ( and there was my Father's BLOOD; who was to take an oparation, on his cancer tumor.. .. -he survived, later on- and I was on honey-moon, there with my W i f e , (she was to be coupd with the stow, e.c.t.) there, too.. ( SO " f i r e " -or fever- can be devided; into " 4 stories " , -4 REDS; can be dettrnined in 4 THiNGS in " 4SiDED " ; Paintings ..

      " ABSTRACTiON " ; c a n b e DEFiNED; a s, a " scientific " " Abstraction " ;.. ( i f U can devide a Topic, into 4 stories Located; -or installed-, i n 4Siides; of a P a i n T ing ..

      ..." İNSTALLATiON of contemporary art "; has t o, occur in PAiNTiNG; (because they could not DO; that, they told that painting WAS DEAD..( -postModernists;who could not be MODERN,too- ) as 4 Sides of a Painting, -that can contain 4 Stories on each sides-..; L i k e, in a " SYMPHONY " in 4 parts..

      ..and that kind of " installation-into-Paint " needs; a miracle to occur.. .. (surrealism,automatisizm, cubism, expressionism, and all i s m ' s; are to b e used spontaneously; and simultaneously, to DO; THAT ; " İNSTALLATiON; into the PAiNT i n g " ..
      ....( and they still, try to practice, " installation -art " , to g e t ,that ability, NOWaDays.. -but nonesense, at all..4 they can not install all these " isms ", into, H u m a n NATURE; ;f i r s t .. - )
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      ...to bee abl to, a d d , that; " PAiNTiNG ".. I mentioned, a b o v e .. NAME of tpainting i s, " T he ; " BULL E Y E " ..)

      https://www.facebook.com/moddanis/posts/10201798835505742
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      .. b e e eeeeeee en " O 'D A " şirketinde MODDANiS
      ...someTHiNG "N E W " has to happen, in" SOUND " M e d i U M; , ...(( with improvisation at ONCE.. )

      ..this T i m e, " o n; t H e " W H İ T E " " ; -and BLACK- of A " t o u c h " -a THiNG- ; ON; key S of a PiANO.. .. ( as a improvisation at ONCE; i n t o the SOUND Medium .. i n ART i n g .. )

      e x a m p l e:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z03lssipKJ8&feature=c4-overview&list=UUoclApcUHJH_NyOZI_kqZ8Q
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      .. b e e eeeeeee en " O 'D A " şirketinde MODDANiS
      ... t h e n, after, -of C o u r s e - there, has to begin; an inVestigation; , i f someTHiNG; N EW; has shown it' s F A C E; , DURiNG, this FREE; impro, ARTiNG .. (Abstracted; and m a d e Hidden ; F i g u r e s 




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