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..from ARTSLANT FORUM; OPPiNiONs; " is ABSTRACt art real a r t.."
..wriT i n g PhiLosO pH i c ,c a n; CARRy U S; to the " ART COMBining; 4 R E L i gion s i n R E A L "é ...
A d r i a n; when telling U 'r W r i t i n g w a s, P h i l o s o p h i c; I w a s complimenting U.. I f I said ; U have N O PhiloSOPHY; &U r u n a f t e r ; some c h e a p; I D E O L G i E s ; -to o p e n U ' r w a y - -instead o f r e a d i n g; Philosopy- ,that would b e A d a m a n t....
NORMAL ACTioN; o f PUBLiC' s:
A n Artist, i s s p e c i a l; with his s e n s i t i v e; S T A N D; and, because h e has many tools to u s e ; H e is not the N O R M A L C i t i z e n; to a c t; normal, & T A K E N O; R i s K s..
BELiVE THAT oR NOT.:
;I D O not, accUSE U; i n ANY W A Y..If U understood this way; IT must b e a " F A K E "; Expression; ( L i k e i n Basketball G a m e; U make a move b u t ; i t is not " U'r "; r e a l M o v e.. but i f U read whole t e X t; it may s e e m the R E A L; IDEA..) SO I am not the " prosecutor "; -that U may b e LOOKing 4- , 4 U to defend; ,something o r " ANY THiNg.."(there o c c u r e s many ANY -THİngs; i n ABSTRACT A R T...& W E; have to define W h a t T h e y REALLy A R E..S O U' r A C T; i s NORMAL to M E; as I have many; A N Y THiNGs, to d e f e n d; i n my; " s u b cons c i o US.."; t o o ...
.p.s. ...When I am; in this; "ANY THİNg " S T A T E.. I collect all m y n e w made WORKs; & shot them i n a ROOM; so they can not a s k; M E; WHAT or W H O they are; continousLy.. A f t e r; a t i m e pass e s ; -when U are not i n them- then; U can s e e; W H A t is; i n T h e r e; & i n T h e m.. -this i s " the ABSTRAct SHOOK "; to - W H O WORKs; i n- ABSTRAc T i n g..(H e may b e ABSTRACTED ; W h i l e; ABSTRACTing..)
...........t h e b a s i c; M i s UNDERSTAND i n g; that O c c u r e s; between U & I,, is because; ( W e both, ABStractors..)& there is a L a n g u a g e; "blank s p a c e " ; -emptiness- in b e t w e e n..E n g l i s h; i s not o u r b a s i c L a n g u a g e; i n the first s t e p..I am curious about; what i s first L a n g u a g e..(are U Duch..)I am a TuRK.. S o this L a n g u a g e "g a p" doubles the G a p; that OCCURes, i n O u r ABSTRACTion s.. -( that b l a n k ourselves, i n a STATE o f s h o o k..)..-
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..No amount of talk, poetry or painting will describe what Reality is..
W e are saying, t h e same thing; I think..there i s a word differance..I s a y; R e a l i t i e s can b e described; (I must go to work today..This is a r e a l i t y..& I c a n; write a p o e m ; or make a painting; describing that feel i n g..b u t W H A T I call R E A L; -REAL as a STATE- is not i n this WORLD...i t e v e n r e q u i r e S; " ABSOLUTE VOLUME " of " OTHER WORLDS; what U say " REALM ".. s o i t can n o t B E described ,in OUR WORLd.. b u t; W E can f e e L t h i s STATE o f R E A L...(ABSOLUTEness there)..
...IDEOLOGiES; o f PUBLic; SCiENCE; are b a s e d O N; REALities.. o n L y ART can B A S E; O N R E A L; a s a STATE..(may b e ; I still c a n not find e X p r e s s i ons, to tell my s e l f..e v e n NOW; I do not know..) i f U a r e ; D U C H B a s e d; I went Amsterdam; twice..Turkih & D u c h; Languages a r e totally, opposite..W e Tuerks a r e, very c l o s e; to GERMAN W a y of thinking.. b u t , D u c h T h i n k i n g; & L a n g u g e; differs a w a y to m u c h , e v e n; f r o m GERMAN L a n g u a g e..(the WAY o f thinking i s basically different..)
W h e n I read U'r L a s t; comment; I thought; I w a s reading a t e x t; i n Z U L U; L a n g u a g e..
.......b u t; any W A Y; U ' r ART; (has all these translations i n; -so this i s a ABSTRACT S H oo K- ) & I can s e e; w h a t ; U are p o i n t i n g AT; i n U 2r P a i n t i n g s; & I can say; there a r e " RARE Things" i n them; that I will L i k e; to E x PLORE; i n the COMPUTER;WORK; (as I did),,(i n the M a i n L a n D of REAL; &absolutr Volume P O S S i B i L i T i eS...)
p.s.SUMMARY: " ABSTRACT -ions-, t o the R E A L.. "
Abstractions a r e ,
;to b e g i n " to the translations o f "; OUR WORLD; (our worlds objects); to r e a c h; REALities; f i r st , & t h e n ,, F i n a LL y to the " LAND; o f the R E A L.." b u t there i s a basic differance; when talking about " t h e r e g i o n; of REAL". i n R E A L STATE ; I ,M E; ONLy ;c a n O C C U R; , i n the " ABSOLUTE; V O L U M E "..that m e a n s; U can n o t, transfer ANY-THing; b u t " U ' r S E L F " ; -a s an OBJECT,,- to the LAND o f the R E A L..) (Absolute V o l u m e can only take U i n; i f ONLY U carried U' r self, -totally U- to this region, AREA of the R E A L..
-I w a s telling, SWiM ALL the W A Y alone L i k e a F i s h; somon..to the s u r F A C E; o f a C A N v -W- A S. to B E " R E A L M E "; M E in T h e R E A L...-
...this is J u s t, L i k e, S W i m m i n g, to H E A V E N; (to the Land o f ABSOLUTE VALUME) using only U' r; hands....t h a t also m e a n s, " ONLy U can T A K E U "; to B E; i n the H e a v e n..
....W E will b e; DRAWn a s A N G E L s; i n the LAND o f R E A L;
and I K N O w; this i s ONLy M e; i n M y Canvas; that OCCUREd; a s; -in- the s h a p e (Formule) o f human...
(A D r i a n... U tell; " e m i n a t e s of M E; -myself- " ;.. I think, t h i s U saying; c a n be described; a s this...WHEN ..I put it in a n ; e X pression..above..
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T h i s kind o f " self -ME-centered ART; MAKing T H E O ry;" D O E S not f i t in; with the ART H i s t o r y; o f general T h i n g s ; ,, o f course..)
-and t h e r e ALready , is a RELiGiON B A R R i e r, b e t w e e n; u s.. t o o..- so I WALKED; o n this way o f ART M a k i n g ; - I g u e s s- .. but i n any religion; ;H e a v e n, & to be an A N G E L; are b e i n g described; similarLy...
S O I have t o ; say MY S E L F;
......... an ANGEL; and H e a V e n; R E A L i z e r; (not describer); PAiNTEr..
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I l i k e; this " i M PRESSiVE; A N G E L; PRESENCE";(as, i s i n impressionism stage) L ooking at US; f r o m; the ABSOLUTE LAND (VOLUME) o f REAL i n this B L U E; P a i n t i n g; o f M E..
(MONA L i s a; is said to b e LEONARDO Himself ,but describe d a s A WOMAN; ,because o f the CHURCH's R U L E s o f " describing -J e s u s- , a s a m u s t..)

W E , can not; DESCRiBE it; b u t ; W E StiLl c a n; " FRAME " i t..
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I l i k e; M y; BULL H E A D " eXpressiON " .. in PAiNt..
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...S O; this i s a PARALLEL; (simetric ) ART H i s t o r y,,(an ALTERNATive),,W a Y;
..............when, " Christ i a n " A R T H i s t o r y; goes i n to; ...DEAD E N D s.. (or crises..) (ALL " ONE GOD " RELigions; -Judaism, Christianism,Islamism- complate & prove e a c h other,,.. S O; +BUDDhA ism; - i t makes, 4 B a s i c AREA; o f RELigiO N..-.. i f T h e s e 4, h a s to COMBine; t h a n; this STEP h a s to B E; A C H i v e d; i n the ART 's ; A R E A...
....i f I GO; i n t o this PAiNTing; I can find; " BUDDHa i s t MONKs " i n T h e r e..

i f it i s WORKED ; i n " R E A L " (AbsoLuTe) a r e a; t h e n; W E can; turn it UPside DAWn (once B a s e l i t z has, described, i n ART History), then,

t h e n; " S i t t inG; MONKs " ;of BUDDha ism; APPEAR; t o U S.. ........these a r e ; B U D D h ist ART; because, i t shows u s; the same MONK; b u t in M A N y OTHER; -situations- -or shapes-..
....i f W e; put them i n to; ART History, stand ARTs; this is the Picture o f a MONK(BuddHist)
..S O ; W h a t; I call; "Other WorLd s " M a y b e BASED i n BUDDHism; A R E A.. these 4 basic Religion s ALL a r e releted; somehow; i n some w a y; & ART can COMBiNE them; w i t h; methods o f ART; - with NO N e e d to DESCribe; these relitions a r e ... )now w e a r e Living, the C a o s; o f ; " trying to d e s c r i b e
; r e l i t i o n s; i n b e t w e e n the; emerging ; " WorlD' s GLOBAL N A T i O N; o f Capital i sM "... b u t; ART h a s to; M A K E; this B r i d g e ; between; R e l i g i o n s..
..." Adamant " ; i s not e n o u g h; H E R E; when WE all a r e to b e Ri C H; when RELigion s C O M B i n e; i n the F A C E; o f A R T..
I can T H İ N K. o f..
I T h i n K..
if there a r e A N Y " R E A L " T H i n g s; i n these, PAiNt s; then t h e y; are not Located there; b u t installed i n; (this means they come to the sur
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...a poor ,, e X ample; b u t, it is O.K. 4 now ..o n..
I AGREE; with That; SUN Fl o w e r s; W E A R e d;(as underWEAR) to the " WA gina" ,i n the BRAin..W o M A N; i s in the F i e l D of ART; &reverse is true, too; ART i s L i K e; W O M E N...(NO problems with that..)
it comes t o; this " i m a g e as a C H E A P; LADY,,"..I can not think ,the SAME.. A R T; L A B O R,, i s a HEAVY O N E; but, that can not b e M i X e d; with the; LADies i n "Hore" business.. a r t i s t; i s a Worker; -y e s WORKER is a h o r e,too; SO DO ,I am..as ART ist- ..b u t I may b e producing t h e MOST; V E R G i N; " WA GiNA; " , in the W o r l D; i n My B R A i n.. using my whole BODy a s a WORKER ; (not a surrounding HOLE; of a h o r e..).


T e l l me if there i s " REAL; B A R O Q UE; PAiNTing " ; MADE by a SPATULE; -that h a s a SPAN-wide METAL MOUTH-.. S O; T h e s e -R E A L- , -&RATiONAL- L i n e s are DRAWn -coming from m y H e a r t; in t o my M i n d; than inthrough t h e PAiNT; to the SUR F A C E of the CANVAS.. this is MODERN ;&BAROQ U E,- .....by a B i G SPATULA.. ......... b u t not -simpLy- REAL i z ed ; i n The M i n D; then, e X p r e s s e d..(as i s i n the ExPRESSi O N ism). ( if U a r e to eXpress the REAL itself; T h e r e is MANY " i s m " ; P r o b l e m s ; a p p e A R ; W i T H i N..